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cj95
05-29-2007, 06:09 AM
I've seen tons and tons of videos of missles taking out tanks, but relatively few of actual sabots hitting a real vehicle.

Just wondering if there were any out there, especially slo motion ones if available.

I'd also be curious to see footage of Reactive armor tiles being set off, or other tank on tank action. (insert cheesy 70's porn music here)

GaryOwen
05-29-2007, 06:41 AM
http://www.groundzerofx.com/explosions/rocket_into_wall_lrg.jpg

http://www.groundzerofx.com/explosions.htm

Not a video, but some stills. I think that its a sabot penetrator, at least it looks like one. I doubt that video equipment could record something as fast as a sabot penetration.

BloodOrk
05-29-2007, 06:53 AM
try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpXhGVRusRI

Eisenschwein
05-29-2007, 07:03 PM
LOL.... and the Loader must be a noob. Wearing Headset and Raincoat and needs new pants after every shoot....

Hedgehog
05-29-2007, 09:36 PM
Coax night shoot: Mmm fireworks!

Homer
05-29-2007, 11:16 PM
http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/contents/armor_brake/armor_brake.htm

Not quite what you asked for but there are some pictures of sabot shots on vehicles and other things....

12Alfa
05-30-2007, 12:30 AM
Not a video, but some stills. I think that its a sabot penetrator, at least it looks like one. I doubt that video equipment could record something as fast as a sabot penetration.


Don't think this is a sabot, it has a flame coming out of the rear, Sabots are powered by the casing from where the come from. No rocket in the rear to speak. It might be a tracer, looks strange.
I'm thinking this is not a sabot from a tank round as we know it.

Tacbat
05-30-2007, 02:15 AM
try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpXhGVRusRI

Nice! Sparks flying everywhere.

dejawolf
05-30-2007, 04:52 AM
might not be a tank sabot. 25mm?
i vote the flame coming out iof the rear is a tracer too.

sabot_ready
05-30-2007, 05:35 AM
If we note the source of the still frames...we can see it is from a site showcasing "explosions" .


No videos with this next link..but an OK rundown of the hows and why of Armour

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread162738/pg1

GaryOwen
05-30-2007, 07:12 AM
Yeah, apparently the guy who runs that site is a special effects artist. Some cool 'splody stuff.

I don't think that a missile could penetrate that plate unless it had a nice little warhead. The projectile in the photo doesn't seem to have any warhead.

Furthermore, AFAIK (which when you come down to it, ain't really all that much) most anti-armor missiles have a motor with a real quick burn time and then glide in on the target. Quick burning motor saves weight that can used to increase the mass of the warhead.

plastictree
05-30-2007, 11:37 AM
The stills don't look as if they are from a tank by any means, long rod penetrators are longer and thinner than that, and you can pretty much judge that it should be about half as long again with fins of that diameter.

With the dimensions of the projectile, ignoring the possibility that it could be a rocket or missile of some type, I'd actually say its from a higher caliber weapon, maybe some type of 155mm long range shell. Seems kind of reminiscent of a test round I saw once for the South African G5/6 weapon.

Then again, I'm probably completely wrong and its just some dude who's designed his own round for special effects value.

Homer
06-03-2007, 11:40 AM
Most likely, it's a sabot training round based its l:d and head shape, plus you can see the sabot grooves.

It's unlikely a missile because they have 2 sets of fins; one to generate lift and other set for manuvering (unless they some sort of thrust vectoring). It's also unlikely to be a rocket because that exhaust plume is too wimpy and smoke-free for a rocket motor. As for the explosion, I dont think there is one (caused by a chemical warhead). If you look closely, the blast occurs after penetration and on the outside surface.... which is worse than useless. What you are seeing is a combination of the forces from round impact/penetration , whatever was burning on the tail, but mostly, the burning of the sheet of cloth that was draped over the face of the object. You can see the fire spreading along the cloth at frame 005 and then burning brightly to smoldering remains (the yellow hot spots) by the last frame.

Captain_Colossus
06-03-2007, 10:45 PM
One can rule out everything else: this is certainly APFSDS, though there isn't much intrinsic evidence to gain insight into the object proportions. We might look to an extrinsic source to infer dimensions:

Soviet BM-15


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9271/125mmbm15apfsdsea9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You can see the flame spurt in this image:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1848/m88sepno4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Captain_Colossus
06-03-2007, 10:54 PM
X-ray study of penetrator defeated by K-5 array:


http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/5967/kontakt5ia3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)