Australian organization

[Sgt_Anzac]

Hello everyone, im looking for open source information on australian
battalion level units.

Im mostly looking for info on cavalery and mechanized/motorized batalion and or regimental level.

At the moment im doing a campaign involving a multinational force, and i need some help with the australian part, both the organization part, and some info on what would be deployed for a mission like the one im making. If anyone is interested in helping out on more then the oganization just send me a PM.

[Sgt_Anzac]

Well, found some nice info, no need for any more help on that part. exept if there is anyone out there who have some insight on cross-attachments or other SOPs urualy used in Australian recce units?

http://www.geocities.com/pacific_oob/Australian_Army_2005.htm#_ftn77

[enigma6584]

Here is a slightly older one but still good IMHO for mission making use...

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/9059/ADF.html

Cheers.

[DemolitionMan]

Also check out this graphic, showing the Australian Land Forces after the expansion that´s taking place at the moment: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Australia_Land_Forces.png

[Rainman31]

G'day mate,
I noticed that you have the link now for the most recent ORBAT that we have in the Australian Army. If you need any more help please let me know as I am a Royal Australian Armoured Corps soldier myself. Perhaps I could help out with the finer details.

Cheers
Rainman
R.A.A.C.

[jrcar]

The recce don't usually have cross attachments (except for arty!), they have some infantry dismounts already. More likely a Cav troop or squadron will be assigned to a Battlegroup (Battalion level). Cav are used as recce, as part of a screen force, or flank and rear guards.

recce tries to find and report the enemy, uses stealth rather than fire power.

Screen tries to stop enemy recce by killing them, and by decieving the enemy... they also identify the enemy thrust lines for a friendly commander.

Guards can be to front, or flank. They fight small mobile battles using the combat advantages of a defensive position to slow the enemy, then rapid mobility to disengage and relocate to another defensive position. When guarding recce elements MAY get some cross attachments, engineers or tanks, but they need the same mobility as the cav.

Cheers

Rob

[Sgt_Anzac]

Thanks you very much!

another question, are the cav or recce used in very diffrent way if they are involved in say a peace-keeping/enforcing operation?

[jrcar]

The ASLAV (from the Cav regiments) are used in Baghdad on high speed convoy escorts from the Green Zone to the Airport.

There speed, mobility and firepower make the very useful for ready reaction forces. Plus they are very quiet.

cheers

Rob

[DemolitionMan]

How many tanks does a squadron of the 1 Armoured Regiment field?

[Rainman31]

Mate,
In the tank regiment we have 14 tanks per sabre squadron. Three x troops of four tanks each plus the Sqn commander and the Sqn 2IC. Three line squadrons in the regiment plus the Operation Support Squadron which have our new M88 Hercules recovery vehicles. In HQ Squadron we have another two Abrams for the CO and the Regi 2IC.

Hope this helps mate, any other questions just e-mail me :P

Rainman

[DemolitionMan]

Thank you! So it´s a 44tank regiment now...was it any different/larger in the Leopard time?

[Gibsonm]

Nope. Just a "one for one" swap.

Keep in mind this is the doctrinal strength and there are always going to be crocks or in this case crews who haven't completed the conversion training yet, etc.

[Greg86]

Hello everyone,
Ive got a question to the serving aussie members.
The pdf document on wiki states that every Aussie Tank Squadron has 13 Tanks(Page 38 of this document) so there shoul be no 2IC Tank in the Sabre Squadrons.So Im bit confused. Which intel is the newer one the one from rainman or the pdf document on wiki.
By the way I heard rumours that Aussie Army wants to increase 1st Armored and the 2 Cav Regimets ti 4Sabre Squadrons each. Any intel on this?
Greetings Greg

[Rainman31]

G'day mate,
Just had a look at that WIKI site and it has got to be a fat fingered typo. The Regt will still have 3 line squadrons of 14 tanks, including the 2IC. We have proven that there is more options available to the sub-unit commander to task the 2IC with a troop in support of other arms where needed. I don't see the ORBAT changing for some times in respect to this, it is very possible that they are talking about it, however, I haven't heard anything on the grapevine. In regards to raising another squadron, I don't see that happening mate for a number of reasons. Firstly is the cost, we have just spent a considerable amount on the new fleet and secondly, it would be extremely hard to try and get the crews to man them. The Army is going through a period of retention incentives to try and keep troops and also a massive recruiting drive, but this will only initially fix the current manning losses to date, hopefully things will pick up for not only the Army but the other services as well. Hope this info helps mate.

Cheers
Rainman

[Greg86]

Thank you very much mate .
Can you provide any written text which underlines the 14 Abrams Tank Squadron.
Becuase I want to change this Info on wiki,but this proof fanatics will not aloow me to do so unless I give them an official statement. Its not the fact that I wouldnt trust your words but for the info sake on wiki.
Any Info whether you aussies will change the camo on the Abrams?

[chappy]

keep in mind when designing ur scenarios that the units by name rarely deploy, or are intended to employ, as a whole unit.

The ADF has become increasingly modular with its command structure and combat and manouevre elements as part of the HNA.

What this means is that we form temporary 'Battlegroups' for the purpose of an operation. Within the battlegroups we have combat teams. The battlegrp HQs are formed by the regt and bn HQs however they are then assigned Combat teams for combined arms operation and so can be made up of different company strength assets from multiple units.


So for example : 2 CAV RHQ forms the battlegroup HQ.
Within the battlegroup may be:
1 Cav Combat team from 2 Cav
1 tank combat team from 1 ARMD
1 Mechanised Combat team for 5/7
1 ARH Combat team from 1 AVN

Any combination is possible and is decided on based on the likely mission role and tasks that the battlegroup will conduct.

From my own understanding (and keep in mind i've been inactive a year now :( ) the combat teams themselves can and should be combined arms in nature hence you can have a combat team made up of a troop of tanks and 2 platoons of mechanised infantry for instance.

[Rainman31]

G'day fellas,
I totally concur with Chappy, we are now structured for ORBAT purposes as a conventional force, however, we are more poised at the CT and BG elements. As far as official writing is concerned, the lads have just headed off for a little bit, they will be back middle of October. As soon as they are back I will hit them up and try and find some writing for you :P

[Greg86]

Does anybody now how the current Aus Cav Regiments are organized?
As I understand they have 3 Sabre Squadron.
But how many ASLAV 25 an PC are per Troop?
How many Troops per Squadron?
Were the Scout Sections per ASLAV PC increased from 7 to 8?
How many Scouts are there in total per Regt?

Thx in advance