Forum Guidelines response

[Dewman]

Use this thread if you want to make a statement about the new forum guidelines

[TankHunter]

Use this thread if you want to make a statement about the new forum guidelines


No Foul Language?! WTF is with that? :mad2:
Oh is the FFZ exempt from these rules, or any? :?

[Dewman]

Had to have time to make all the post..
Check the FFZ

[TankHunter]

Had to have time to make all the post..
Check the FFZ

Got a bad feeling about this. Oh also would using different spellings of curses be allowed, such as arse? Or are you guys too smart for that.

[Gunfighter]

Dewman,

I despise the Liberal Government of my Nation. And I will take efforts in voting them out as soon as the next round of elections arrive. Is this topic a violation of the Forum Rules?

My Nation's current government has decided that Tanks are anathema to the conduct of future warfare. Naturally its a political decision devoid of any military sense. Is this topic another violation of the Forum Rules?

The Current Canadian Prime Minister is doling out our money to "buy" votes and will flagrantly sweep aside the charges that the Canadian Army is woefully underfunded, overtasked, brass heavy, steel light and too stupid to say "Enough!!" Does this topic belong in Ground Zero?

Gunfighter

[Dewman]

If it is considered political... But then in the FFZ you can get away with it..


Please Note there are different rules for the FFZ.. Or at least some things are different..

[Ssnake]

Gunfighter,
Deal sensibly with the rules, and the moderators will deal sinsibly with you. :)

[PS-SCUD]

It is political, but it does have alot to do with SB......


I mean......you can make any topic political, if you really want to.

[ShermansWar]

GF, i think the rules for general forums state that no political or religious discussions are allowed in general forums. of course, the rules are applied selectively.

For my part, i would like to ask, that out of 2 suspensions i received, why was i not allowed the option to delete the offensive posts and avoid suspension, either time i was suspended, this time, or the last time?I volunteered to delete the posts, even before a decision was made, issued a public apology for my manner in general, tried to reslove the issue through PM and e-mail outside the forum, and still was suspended. Then i was told i cant discuss it or question it. but being as someone else started this thread, and is in general forums, i assume i am allowed to question the rule concerning the deletion of posts as a means to resolve situations. Why, even when i voulunteered to do so,was the mechanism of conflict resolution clearly stated in the rules denied me, and others, who have said the same in the past to me when it came to their situation? Why do rules apply to members and not moderators?
Why do you have a rule if noone can use it?
The rules also state the moderators will respond to requests for redress of greivance in a timely manner, not with a deafening silence.

[PS-SCUD]

Sherman, sorry, but you did have a chance to delete that post.

You posted it, then you posted TWICE more on that SAME THREAD. Your last post was an HOUR after the offending post. Now, if you had left, and come back and found the thread locked, and couldn't get rid of that post, I'd feel sorry for you, but you posted again 2 more times on that thread, and had a chance to get rid of the personal attack on EE.

Now, it wasn't marked as an offending post, because I thought it was so blatantly obvious it didn't need to be marked. I should have marked it, my mistake, but you can't seriously tell me you didn't think it was a personal attack in violation of the rules.


As to the timely manner, we get to things as soon as we can. We do have a life though, and I'm guessing forum moderation isn't on the top of most people's lists....

[Lone*star49]

Sherman, sorry, but you did have a chance to delete that post.

You posted it, then you posted TWICE more on that SAME THREAD. Your last post was an HOUR after the offending post. Now, if you had left, and come back and found the thread locked, and couldn't get rid of that post, I'd feel sorry for you, but you posted again 2 more times on that thread, and had a chance to get rid of the personal attack on EE.

Now, it wasn't marked as an offending post, because I thought it was so blatantly obvious it didn't need to be marked. I should have marked it, my mistake, but you can't seriously tell me you didn't think it was a personal attack in violation of the rules.


**As to the timely manner, we get to things as soon as we can.
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Ok, I forgot completely of the EE matter/post attack.. But, how do I get the boot, with a complaint by me ** via my email to all of you, and yet, no return PM, posted thread to change any of my wording (foul free, nor threating), that most of you found upsetting, following posted Moderator operations.. of some kind of warning to correct any post/wording that you found in violation?


It seems that just prior to the latest events, Scud posted a thread warning to Caveman to delete his bad post, along with PM's from Poker, myself and Sean, to Caveman, to settle it thru proper channels, or just change it to comply to rules, to which he did..


Where was the "Rat Pack" during all this, and if they did not see any rules being broken, could this be the reason for their silence?

Chrisotto, gave a "possible trolling warning" not to long ago also..

Why not me..?


LS :?

[Ssnake]

The fact that both of you are upset confirms my theory that a good compromise leaves everybody mad. ;)
LS, you're long enough visitig this forum to know that it's always been my statement that I would kick asses both of flamers and those who bait them. Don't provoke, and don't let yourself be provoked, and we all get along just fine.

Frankly, I'm fed up with the fact that your personal little war has stolen hours of my life without a single constructive and productive element in it, and still you don't give up. How long do you want to drag on this matter? What's your big suffering? You're not allowed to post for a short span in the FFZ, what's the big deal in it? Do you really want to saturate the moderator's capacity to deal with petty issues forever, and then complain that we didn't react in a timely manner to hour-long rants that are supposed to justify your actions when it's plain obvious that you just didn't behave, both of you?

It's time for you to step back and have a look at the mess that you created, instead of digging a deeper and deeper hole in a misdirected attempt to get out of it. Start acting like grown-ups, I'm sick of these lamentations.

[Bluewings]

And all this Bullshit is because of the very existence of the FFZ . :mad2:

Let 's get rid off it , and come back to a Tanker site .

Cheers . :3starSK:

[Lone*star49]

The fact that both of you are upset confirms my theory that a good compromise leaves everybody mad. ;)

1. LS, you're long enough visitig this forum to know that it's always been my statement that I would kick asses both of flamers and those who bait them. Don't provoke, and don't let yourself be provoked, and we all get along just fine.

2. Frankly, I'm fed up with the fact that your personal little war has stolen hours of my life without a single constructive and productive element in it, and still you don't give up.

3. It's time for you to step back and have a look at the mess that you created, instead of digging a deeper and deeper hole in a misdirected attempt to get out of it. Start acting like grown-ups, I'm sick of these lamentations.
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1. Wasn't provoked, but pointed out errors so you all could find and relate faster.. and cleanly, but I wasn't mad, just dissappointed..


2. Sorry that you're upset and mad, was not my intent.. but, I have no little Wars, but your responce has also justified my post appeal..

3. Mess?.. I think the mess is what you moderators have "created" along with my co-defendents false claims, but as I stated and reiterate, if ya all feel better about your decisions going ahead of the rules of courtesy.. so be it, I can and will live with it.. As in any Court case, always a 50/50 chance of winning or losing, and my appeal has been denied.. even when it is clear to me, that my case got what I would concider, a bad ruling, but I will take it and not appeal it any further.. as you said, 2 weeks out of the FFZ is no big deal..

Thanks Ssnake for your time.. (please take these 2 weeks and put it towards SB2) :wink:


LS :helmet:

[ShermansWar]

For my part I'm pissed that your content to let me get baited, by both of them, then suspend me.i reread all my posts, i didnt read any PMs i sent that took more than a few minutes to read.i dont send complaints, meanwhile the moderators have been crying( some to me) that they are deluged with constant complaints. i have sent none before my suspesion currently. yet i'm told about my hours long longwinded posts. none took more than a few minutes to read.was no ongiong conflict with EE, apparently one post was enough.and no chance to delete it after i was clearly baited.

My issues is very simply why do you apply rules selectively?why do you post them if you won't follow them?thats an illigitamate question?apparently there are rules for us but not the moderators. and i still dont have an answer as to why i was given no opportunity to retract offensive posts, no request was made, what request was made i complied with.sounds very simply like you dont wanna be bothered, and facts are irrelevant.a pile of complaints you give ear to, but in a year i send a couple pms in one day, and it's an inconvenience to respond?you have time to listen to 5000 complaints, but if i say something I'm a pain in the ass and need speeches about your busy lives?dont hold water with me.also if you didnt want any response, then the moderator shouldnt have started this thread.i came up with a relevant question. why are the rules applied subjectively, and why is it you think i have no right to notice or mention that, in view of the fact i got baited to begin with?why was i given no opportunity to delete whatever was offensive, NEITHER this time OR the last time.I'm sorry,it's a legitimate question.Obviously none of you are gonna answer it, so I'll drop it.but that dont make it right.

As far as any big sufferring,i find it hypoctrytical that I'm told i better show respect or get the boot, but i cant get a straightup response on a simple question as to why the moderators will not follow the procedures that are clearly spelt out.if there was some logic behind it explain it, as pertains to the rules, if not, then dont try and justify it..I'm not the one investing in a wrongful argument.but i dont see how we supposed to stay inside the lines when you move them, or when some rules apply for some people and not tothers. if suspension are subject to the whimsy of the moderators, then state so clearly and dont confuse the issue with rules that arent followed and never applied.I may be wrong about a few things, but not this. you dont want me to be stubborn or prideful, but yet it's ok for the moderators, who, in addition see fit to lecture me about how i shouldn't bother them. Like i said, I'll drop it, but i dont think it's right.you all may have simplified your end, but you did it the wrong way.

[PS-SCUD]

Sherman, I think the reason the moderators aren't perfect, is because the moderators arn't perfect. :lol:

We probably could have handeled every situation better, and the rules arn't enforced perfectly. LS you've been a moderator. You know you can't do it perfectly. Maybe Sherman should give it a try lol, then he'd know what it feels like.

I really don't think the kind of moderation we do does any good. IMO we should carefully police the General forum to make sure everyone stays on topic. We should check GZ to make sure nothing gets out of hand, and we should just ignore the FFZ.

[Sean]

I cant speak for anyone else, but the thread in question sat there for a week before a decision was reached about it. Are you telling me you contacted a moderator requesting to change a post, but they never answered?

[sgttanner]

ok

[Sean]

Tanner, no ones been banned for giving their opinion.

[Lone*star49]

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Yes Sean, I emailed the moderators to take care of the situation a week before they finally took the action (without) notice and they did not ask anyone to change their post..


LS :?

[sgttanner]

sounds to me like u all need to get thicker skins ,is this a country where people can speak there minds or is this a socialist country ,freedom of speech is a right and a privilige in my mind so lets use our right to free speech

[sgttanner]

but it seems to me that opinions are what flames everthing and this is my opinion you guys need not take things so seriously.

[Sean]

I have to agree with that, Tanner.

[sgttanner]

thank you,and i think the moderators need to have thicker skins as well

[ShermansWar]

the post i woyuld have deleted was to EE
the post to ls , i didnt think i neede to delete, nor was any request to do so made. i did eventually ask chris, after he said i shouldnt mention names, ask him iff he wanted me to delete any posts.this was before imposted at EE,he mentioned a few, i cleaned them up, and a few others. the rest were locked.it was then that i posted at ee and got suspended shortly threafter.that thread i can see clearly should have been deleted.
an hour later it was locked, and i couldnt
only then did i get suspended for argument with LS, but frnkly, i didnt think i neede to delete it, and in fact sent him a PM asking that we take the issue out of forums, i didnt know LS had sent a complaint, , and thought it was a dead issue.
when people say on a regular basis that those who dont support bush can go someplace else,or go fight a war, or are unpatriotic, i didnt think saying "unamerican" was a banning offense.
fact is, it wasnt.they probably wouldnt have, is my guess, but then i flamed EE. they didnt cite that, as i dont think in good conscience they could, as i had been ignoring what had been said to me preor by ee, , but overall, i think in their minds a critical mass was reached, and they acted, without really getting it clear as to what rules were or were not broken or where.
they didnt need to ban me for ls quarrel, as we about had it settled between us at the time they suspended, and to suspend me for retaliating at ee,only hours after it happened is kinda knee jerk, considering they sat on the previous issue for a week.

[Nikatori]

Here’s my take. This is a forum ran by a private entity. It is there to serve the needs of the company and it’s clients. However, you will notice that it is more of a “community project” than anything else. You must also notice that SB put limited resources to this site. For whatever reason, it doesn’t matter.

What matters, is it’s here available for us. And, I’m grateful for that.

It is noteworthy that clients are given the opportunity to contribute in shaping the project. In other words, how the site would appear, to us and to the public. Whatever you type into the forum will form part of the archives, and it will be there for the public to see, and is an integral part of the SB Community. Thus, when you click the “submit” button, pause for a moment and think. You can always defer the post until you make up your mind.

It has become apparent that moderators don’t have enough “resources” to baby sit each thread. Closing the FFZ would tremendously relieve a big load of burden. All these circus came from there anyways. And it is something the community can absolutely do without.

With so many words and clauses, what the new guidelines dictate is that we post in a manner which is “publicly acceptable”. Anything you can’t say to your wife, mom, dad, son, nephew, niece, grandma, etc., don’t say it here !

Be a gentleman to the next gentleman. But then again we have different concepts of what a gentleman is. Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh…

And that’s another story.

[chrisotto]

It has become apparent that moderators don’t have enough “resources” to baby sit each thread.

No, that is not true. We have had communication in the past, Nik, and apparently you do not want to acknowledge our situation. Since no one in the FFZ has the absolute voting power to shut down a thread and we decide in a comitee to avoid being called biased, discussions take time 'cause we span some 10 time zones. Ssnake is the one here that has limited resources to police the site, and he should be doing other stuff than fulfilling your definition of a police-person.

As usual, if you think you can do better, join up.

[Bluewings]

chrisotto wrote to Nik : As usual, if you think you can do better, join up.

Bang !! Eat that !! ROTFLMAO :lol: :thumbup:

Cheers . :3starSK:

[Nikatori]

No, that is not true


Ahhh... but that's a matter of opinion.

As to joining up the moderators. I can't. First, I don't have the time. Second, I'm afraid my own sanity is threatened if I read all the threads here. :mrgreen: