.50 cal ammo?

[Wahrborg]

What .50 cal ammo is used for the M1 in the game? And is it the same for all the vehicles whit a .50 cal in the game?

[112TYR]

Detonations look like Multi-Purpose to me....

[Wahrborg]

yup, but i would like to know for sure ;)

And if you hose a cupple of meters in front of troops whit the M1, you dont get any splinter effect. That you should get whit the MP ammo. Maby it's a matter of how it's modeled?

[112TYR]

I don't know how much splinter effect .50 CAL MP would have hitting soft ground....which is the most common ground in SB. I mean, compare with in-game 120mm HEAT splinter effects....

[Wahrborg]

At least paper dummies can get pretty messed up by the splinter..

[TopKick]

It acts like .50 cal APIT ammo in SB.

[112TYR]

At least paper dummies can get pretty messed up by the splinter..

Yeah, I know :) Sorry, I meant in-game, compared to the relatively poor splinter effect you get from a 120mm HEAT-round. So I figured a .50 cal-round would be proportionally reduced in effect.

[Wahrborg]

One of the reasons im asking is because whit the .50 on the M1, im able to take out a Brad whit just 2-3 rounds if i fire in the back of the turret. Maby 10-15 if i fire in the back doors. But the Hummwe, or M113 wont even open fire most of the times. How come?

[ShermansWar]

.50 cal ammo is ball ammo, full metal jacket, with tracer rounds thrown in. there are no HE .50 cal rounds commonly used, or HEAT rds, but the tracer rounds on a weapon that large tends to start fires, and .50s start fires.

[112TYR]

.50 cal ammo is ball ammo, full metal jacket, with tracer rounds thrown in. there are no HE .50 cal rounds commonly used, or HEAT rds, but the tracer rounds on a weapon that large tends to start fires, and .50s start fires.

Do you mean in-game, or in real-life? My usual ammo setup was what we called "combat ammo", combining Multi-Purpose and AP. Multi-purpose is probably the most widely used ammo type for the 50-cal where I train. I suppose there are differences between each nation, as our 50.cal MP-rounds are produced domestically.

[Wahrborg]

There are atleast 6 different types of .50 cal BMG rounds, and prolly atleast just as many types for the russian verisions. On top of that there is prolly a alot of different types that made by individual nations..

[ShermansWar]

They may make a hundred different types. The game models a .50 cal on an M1A1. That is an american main battle tank.The ammunition we use is .50 cal ball ammo,AP, tracer rounds and incindiary rounds,, and combinations thereof .I'm assuming that, as the game models an American tank, it would model the loadout the Americans use.


http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/faq.html

[Wahrborg]

That explains the lack of the "splinter effect" then. But i still wondering if there is the same ammo modeled on the M1/M113/HMMWV. And if, -why dont they fire at the same targets as you can take out whit the M1 .50 cal ?
And what round is it that is modeled?

[TankHunter]

.50 cal ammo is ball ammo, full metal jacket, with tracer rounds thrown in. there are no HE .50 cal rounds commonly used, or HEAT rds, but the tracer rounds on a weapon that large tends to start fires, and .50s start fires.

The great 50. cal HE debate, revisited. Brought to you by TS. :lol:

[ShermansWar]

What debate? Research your facts. Do you really think an HE or MP round is rrated to go through 35MM of armor?I don't.The game states the ammo pierces 35MM of armor.it's a half in round. How much explsive do you think you could fit in it anyway? not enough to penetrate 35MM. the round modeled in the game is an Kinetic energy weapon, not a chemical warhead.Otherwise you'd be saying that a purpose dedicated AP round would likely penetrate over an inch and a half of armor( an AP round would have to penetrate more than an MP round, no?). I dont buy it.
I was in a Heavy Weapons Company, and we had no MP or HE rounds for the .50 cal.

[TopKick]

Caliber .50 stuff:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/slap.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m2-50cal.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m312.htm

[3Star]

We had exclusively API rounds in Iraq, both on the M48 on the tank, and the M2s on the HMMWVs and M113s.

NTM

[ShermansWar]

TY

[Wahrborg]

What debate? Research your facts. Do you really think an HE or MP round is rrated to go through 35MM of armor?I don't.The game states the ammo pierces 35MM of armor.it's a half in round. How much explsive do you think you could fit in it anyway? not enough to penetrate 35MM. the round modeled in the game is an Kinetic energy weapon, not a chemical warhead.Otherwise you'd be saying that a purpose dedicated AP round would likely penetrate over an inch and a half of armor( an AP round would have to penetrate more than an MP round, no?). I dont buy it.
I was in a Heavy Weapons Company, and we had no MP or HE rounds for the .50 cal.


...... i was asking a question that i wanted Ssnake or someone else thats fammiliar whit the game to answer... HMMWV and M113 dosent open fire on the same targets as i can easily take out whit a cupple of rounds from the M1 .50, so i want to know why.. is it because they have different ammo, or are there any other reasons? ...research your facts: eh, i was asking a question??... And next time i do, plz dont turn it into a debate i wasent looking for...

[Ssnake]

Is far as I remember, we're modelling .50 SLAP. AP ball doesn't penetrate 35mm, and we haven't modelled frangible rounds yet. SLAP was the suggested loadout given by M1 tankers back then, so...

[TankHunter]

What is SLAP?

[Ssnake]

It's a saboted sub-caliber dart for the cal .50 with superior penetration capabilities. A big issue in city fights actually where you can't simply fire into buildings with it as it will pass through many walls and may hit innocent people. It's been discussed in one of the Armor magazine articles lately.

[TankHunter]

Ah, thanks Ssnake for the the info.

[Bluewings]

very interesting ...

Cheers . :3starSK:

[Mpat120]

Slap also hase the same flight path as m830 HEAT out to 1800m, just a quirk of the round

[Ludwigmeister]

I'm tired so maybe I'm just not following this 100%, but the link references TopKick gave suggest the SLAP can penetrate 3/4" hard armour/steal I forget the wording. Just to add to the "debate"... 3/4" isn't anywhere near 35mm. 3/4" is only 19.05mm. So the Kenetic (SLAP) round can't penetrate the 35mm that was being thrown around earlier (according to the manufacturer's (or whatever it was) site). I don't if this really has all that much to do with the debate, but 3/4" is much smaller than 35mm.

Aside from that I had a hard time following one thing... what is an MP round? I can't figure that one out...?

Ludwig.

[Ratpriest]

Ok sense this thread seems to be the perfect place to ask.

How do you make the 50CAL. Reload?

[Wahrborg]

MP= Multi Purpose. HE round whit a built in tungsten/DU penetrator. Think it was some Norwegien company who got the idea to work. Good stuff that gives alot of benefites.

[TopKick]

Ok sense this thread seems to be the perfect place to ask.

How do you make the 50CAL. Reload?

In SB, after firing the 50 cal. either pop into the gunner's seat, unbutton the TC hatch if buttoned up, or go to F8 view and the TC will automatically reload the weapon if it's empty.

[Ssnake]

In SB Pro PE, there's a reload command for all weapons on board of a vehicle. In fact, you will have to use this command fairly often in case of intense combat, because we now differentiate between ready ammo and stowed ammo that must be prepared first. And that's going to take time during which the vehicle essentially is out of action.

[Ratpriest]

Hmm is this realistic. Seems a crew wouldv'e prepared all ammo if they knew action was unavoidable.

[Hell_Hound]

They would if they could - but most tanks have a "ready rack" that's easily accessible to the loader, and then a storage rack that's more protected, to reduce the chance of a "munitions incident".

Unless you want rounds just rolling around on the floor, there's just no way to increase the number of "ready" rounds. (The rounds are physically identical, you don't have to do anything with them except maybe take the nose cap off a smoke round. The only difference is where they're stored within the turret.)

[112TYR]

Nonetheless, there is no ammo box in a Leo that can take 5000 rounds of 7,62mm. Most of it is stored around the tank - some boxes under the turret floor, which means access isn't the easiest. As for tank rounds; as soon as your ready rack dries out, you need to get more from the bunker. (In the Leo1 at least) Can't roll around with 50 rounds in your turret :shock:

[Ratpriest]

That sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[112TYR]

Naah....it can easily be solved by good teamwork and communications.

If all 4 ready racks of the platoon run out at the same time, though....you have El Problemo Grande.... :shock:

Oh, and it won't be as easy to load a HE-round if you decided to go into battle with only Sabot and HEAT in your ready rack. :wink:

[Newbie-Olle]

Oh those days of the StuG III...
Some 45 rounds in racks and an equal amount piled up on the floor was the standard loadout when going to combat. Not much room left for the crew. ;)

/Olle

[Homer]

Since we are talking about reloading in SB2, are you able to transfer ammo from one tank to another or you limited to resupply only from logisitic vehicles?

[Ssnake]

Right now it's just the ammo truck. But who knows what the future will bring?