LAV,Stryker etc FM ?

[Trekker]

Anyone got a FM for any wheeled units, LAV, stryker, Centraur and so on?

[DrDevice]

Here's some Stryker info:

FM 3-21.9: The SBCT Infantry Rifle Platoon And Squad (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-9/index.html)
FM 3-21.11: The SBCT Infantry Rifle Company (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-11/index.html)
FM 3-21.21: The Stryker Brigade Combat Team Infantry Battalion (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-21/index.html)
FM 3-21.31: The Stryker Brigade Combat Team (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-31/index.html)
FM 3-21.94: The Stryker Brigade Combat Team Infantry Battalion Reconnaissance Platoon (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-94/index.html)

[TankHunter]

Anyone got a FM for any wheeled units, LAV, stryker, Centraur and so on?

FM 3-21.9 is plt doctrine
FM 3-21.11 is company doctrine
FM 3-21.21 is batt doctrine
All are for the Stryker, and yes, I have em.
Trekker, do you have ICQ?

[Trekker]

Thanks alot both. The reason i ask is because next year we will put up a similear unit, a light infantry (light in our standards), similear vehicle, capabilities and use.

Another question, the Plt leader, is he also VC or is he in the fighting compartment?

[DrDevice]

Each ICV has a crew of two (commander and driver) that operates the vehicle. These mounted crews (the PSG or a senior squad leader is included in the mounted section as the fourth VC and serves as one of the section leaders [Figure 1-4]) provide critical support to the platoon...
and
While the platoon remains mounted, the platoon leader controls the movement of the platoon's ICVs. When the platoon leader dismounts to conduct the assault or other dismounted infantry operations with the rifle squads, the platoon sergeant assumes command of the mounted element of the platoon. He maneuvers them in support of the infantry squads and as directed by the platoon leader.

So, the PSG is in charge of the mounted elements if the platoon is on foot. The Platoon Leader is dismounted, and one vehicle has a driver only, as the VC becomes one of the section leaders.

Are you guys getting the Patria or Boxer? Those are some well-thought out vehicles. The modular nature is really cool for a bunch of reasons.

[Trekker]

Rgr Thanks.
We have been using the Patria for a while early -90s atleast, but those have only been assigned to the missions abroad, so no "regular" unit has ever used the patria. Now we have ended the use of MTLB as a multi-functional-vehicle and replace it with a Swedish upgraded version of Patria, the Patgb203. This vehicle has been used at some units as urban-infantry (1 year), mechanic units, and other support units aswell as in peacekeeping missions. But never been used in a combat unit.
http://soldf.com/images/s_patgb203.jpg

[Wahrborg]

The Patria was a counter buy, for when the Finns bought the CV90 from us. The army was given the choise by our goverment to "buy anything you want, as long as it's finnish, and costs 1 000 000€" ..

So what we ended up whit was a pice of crap vehicle, that aint good for anything basicly. The mobility is realy bad, the intercom and radio system newer works properly, it lacks engine power. Even thoe it's big its practicly impossible to store stuff inside. Electronics and hydraulics are un-accesable. Take ages to dismount. The antennas are mounted an inch from the soldiers in the back. I could go on for ages..

On top of that, some bright guy decided to mount an old 20mm Auto-cannon gun turret on it wich is placed in the middle of thes 6 meter vehicle, so if you fire straight forward you cant dump the gun at all. This gunturrets are also about 30-40 yrs old, so they are very worne out, and have a ridiculously high malfunctioning rate.

The good things about it is that it's very low-maitence, it's mechanicly reliable, have a good mine protection, and a cool soundsystem.. The AC is pretty decent to.

[Trekker]

Yea the Finns tricked us again, we never should have let them rule that country by themself.

As WB said, it's a crap vehicle, the original construction was good, but bolting on 7tons of add-on armour and a turret without doing anything to the propulsion or shock-absorbing function is not a clever idea.

Another good thing is that even a monkey can drive the thing. So not much training is required for the drivers.

[TankHunter]

In other words the thing is only good if you want to find out where enemy AT assets are, in which case you send the thing forward to get shot at?

[DrDevice]

I meant the newer Patria AMV 8X8:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/patria/

I think this one is a generation newer, competing with the Boxer in most respects. Is this the same vehicle deployed now?

[Trekker]

In other words the thing is only good if you want to find out where enemy AT assets are, in which case you send the thing forward to get shot at?

Yes, just like the german ww2 MC-recon units. When they stoped transmitting you got a pretty good picture of where the enemy was. :lol:

[Trekker]

I meant the newer Patria AMV 8X8:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/patria/

I think this one is a generation newer, competing with the Boxer in most respects. Is this the same vehicle deployed now?

Ah. No, the Patgb203 is a upgraded SISU XA180. Unfortunly we ain't getting the AMV, there was a test two years ago at my regiment, where they tested AMV, LAV III and Hagglunds future vehicle; SEP. And the outcome was that we would get the SEP, a vehicle that isn't even ready. So the Patgb203 is a interim vehicle until the SEP arrives, it's said to be ready 2008-2010.

http://www.haggve.se/default.asp Check "New Projects"