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OilBucket
03-07-2006, 12:03 AM
You're at the Tank Range, you fire HEAT with the M1 and its a little more trajectory than the Sabot.... in the Leos, you shoot HEAT and its like shooting a spit-ball through a straw at the target. Is this the real world difference between US vs German HEAT rounds or what? I would think at the tank range both tanks would be using optimal rounds.
OilBucket
03-07-2006, 12:17 AM
Actually I shoulda said a "V2 rocket " would be more appropriate. Some rounds actually leave your thermal on the way to target. A true Werner Von Braun testing ground.
sages
03-07-2006, 01:10 AM
I've been wondering the same thing. The trajectory of the German heat round is ummm... indirect.
YdnarB
03-07-2006, 05:31 AM
So does that make them a top attack weapon? :P
smangs
03-07-2006, 09:28 PM
I was wondering the same thing. They really have a high arc towards the target and therefore really take their time.
Ssnake
03-07-2006, 11:18 PM
Hmmm could that be an MPAT for HEAT in the M1's gunnery range?
Does the mission briefing list the ammo of the vehicle?
OilBucket
03-08-2006, 03:00 PM
Hmmm could that be an MPAT for HEAT in the M1's gunnery range?
Does the mission briefing list the ammo of the vehicle?

M1/ M908 HEAT
Leos/ 33% HESH M 156 LS. Spec.A/ 9% RGRPT M/87 LS. Spec. B
RIPper
03-08-2006, 03:37 PM
doesn't the leo have bigger magnification than m1? that might cause your observation
OilBucket
03-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Correction that all Leos have same load-out. Leo 4 has DM 12 (L44) "79 HEAT. But the other 2 have totally different ones. Trajectory still not as good as M1 M908. But still very viable round. Both being FAR superior to the HESH rounds in the other 2 Leos.
deees
03-08-2006, 06:42 PM
doesn't the leo have bigger magnification than m1? that might cause your observation

I think you're right about this issue.

What I'd like to see in a future update or follow-on product would be more info in the AAR, particularly, for the Gunnery Range. I'd like to see the footprint of the last laser for each shot as well the full ballistic path of all shots. (Obviously, this probably wouldn’t be practical for all scenarios, but would be nice the target practice.)
OilBucket
03-08-2006, 07:49 PM
No way the Mag. has anything to do with this issue. Mag has nothing to do with a 5 ( or more)second time to reach target at some ranges as opposed to 2 with the Abram or A4 ammo at the duplicate range.
112TYR
03-08-2006, 10:10 PM
M908 has a Vo of 1400 m/s, DM12 has a Vo of 1140 m/s. Yeah, there's a difference. Load your M1 with M830 HEATs, and you'll probably see the same trajectory as the Leo2s DM12s.
112TYR
03-08-2006, 10:13 PM
Correction that all Leos have same load-out. Leo 4 has DM 12 (L44) "79 HEAT. But the other 2 have totally different ones. Trajectory still not as good as M1 M908. But still very viable round. Both being FAR superior to the HESH rounds in the other 2 Leos.

In what way do you compare HESH and HEAT?
Hell_Hound
03-08-2006, 10:18 PM
Roughly similar aerodynamics, I suppose. Plus the light-vehicle-shredding explosion. :)
OilBucket
03-08-2006, 10:41 PM
In what way do you compare HESH and HEAT?


By going to the tank range and seeing with own eyes the differences is in trajectoryand /or time of impact from time fired from barrel. What could more convincing. Ask me what the difference is between the rounds and I have no answer other than what I stated.
112TYR
03-08-2006, 10:49 PM
Well, as far as accuracy on moving targets is concerned, you're right. But HESH-rounds are better suited against infantry etc. The low Vo means the round will hit at a higher angle than HEAT, which actually is good for its purpose. Having a HESH-round strike the ground at 1500 m/s would probably suppress a lot of the effect.

Also, I have found that as long as the HESH-lot is on par with the ballistical values in the ballistic computer, it can be quite accurate even at long range.
OilBucket
03-08-2006, 11:06 PM
Well, as far as accuracy on moving targets is concerned, you're right. But HESH-rounds are better suited against infantry etc. The low Vo means the round will hit at a higher angle than HEAT, which actually is good for its purpose. Having a HESH-round strike the ground at 1500 m/s would probably suppress a lot of the effect.

Also, I have found that as long as the HESH-lot is on par with the ballistical values in the ballistic computer, it can be quite accurate even at long range.

All of this may be true and probably so. I agree ( with exception of moving target, better hope it never even changes the slightest minor change in speed or direction )
But this is not what the topic is about...topic is why there is a total difference in load-out between M1 and Leos. Not an ideal scenario to get best gunnery time which I believe this is what this is all about. Personally I prefer M1... but to have the latter Leos ham-strung by ammo thats not being used by M1 , or vice-versa is not fair.