HIND-F of the WEST GERMAN ARMY

[LUPUS]

This could be a Nice Idea for a Skin. With such a Skin, also the Blue Forces in SB Pro Pe could use a HIND.


This Hind was an Ex-East German Helicopter, used a few Years of the West German Forces, but now out of Service. Now it stands in the "Luftwaffenmuseum" in Germany.

http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Hind/3312.html


Also a Nice skin would be this HIND-D of the East German Forces :

http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Hind-D.html

[stuart666]

Polish or Czech airforce might be a better option. Both still use the Hind. I dont think the Unified German Luftwaffe used the hind for more than a few months. Bloody Killjoys. :evil:

[RogueSnake79]

I know hackworth fooled around with the hind skin a while back. Mybe he would be intrested. Its a very cool looking paintscheme.

[Zipuli]

Maybe me and Congo will do Czech Hind sometime soon... There has been plans and we have some good shots of the thing. The aim is to have a blue (NATO) Hind.

Zip

[stuart666]

I think the poles had a blue grey scheme for one squadron. (49PSB?) Looked very attractive indeed, though it was probably for the naval attack role.

Once had a squadron of Czech hinds fly over my house. Thought for a moment it was 'Red Dawn'. :lol:

[cobrabase]

When I was training to fly stripped down jetrangers at Ft. Rucker, a story went around about an AH-1S pilot in West Germany who shadow-boxed with his Hind counterpart on the other side of the "Trace" (the East-West German border). The two would race to the south and then the cobra pilot would pitch up hard to stop. Te (belived to be Soviet) pilot wanted to show that his guards squadron were no slouches. He too would pitch up and stop to face his nemesis.

Well... the blade flap on the Hind's 5 conventional blades is VERY high and he left the safe envelope. Poor SOB severed his own tail and went down in a fireball.

We did not know if this was fact or fiction until I was in Korea and my subscription to World Air Power Journal arrived from my girlfriend (now wife) at home. Sure enough, a great article about what I had heard at Rucker... same story... verified to be true.

Too bad I never got a chance to screw with the DPRK pilots and their rarely seen MD-500s along DMZ. My 'Pache may have been heavier but she was bigger and badder.

8)

Hooah

[Trekker]

Cobrabase you might be the man to answer a question i have; I read in Tom clancys "Armored Cavalry" that the US have or was getting a simulator for the apache so they could link up with armour units and play both tanks and helos at the same time, does this exist?

I also heard on by a swedish sim-developer that when they were planning for the CV90 simulator, they had the idea to solve the dismount combat by putting running tracks on both sides of the CV-simulator so the dismounts could run along with the vehicle. Some ideas are better then other i guess.

[cobrabase]

Cobrabase you might be the man to answer a question i have; I read in Tom clancys "Armored Cavalry" that the US have or was getting a simulator for the apache so they could link up with armour units and play both tanks and helos at the same time, does this exist?

I also heard on by a swedish sim-developer that when they were planning for the CV90 simulator, they had the idea to solve the dismount combat by putting running tracks on both sides of the CV-simulator so the dismounts could run along with the vehicle. Some ideas are better then other i guess.

Yes, it did/does exist at Ft. Hood. I'm sure that they are utilizing it a lot more now to coordinate between units to train in urban environments. It's funny as hell about the running tracks! poor grunts!!

[Dachs]

How about a Hind dressed up like an Apache or Blackhawk, in that black/greenish paint ?
It would look more NATO/US like, could be usefull in some scenarios.


-Dachs

[cobrabase]

How about a Hind dressed up like an Apache or Blackhawk, in that black/greenish paint ?
It would look more NATO/US like, could be usefull in some scenarios.


-Dachs

I'm utterly and completely offended and disgusted. :x :!: :wink:

[stuart666]

How about a Hind dressed up like an Apache or Blackhawk, in that black/greenish paint ?
It would look more NATO/US like, could be usefull in some scenarios.


-Dachs

I'm utterly and completely offended and disgusted. :x :!: :wink:

Yes, why spoil the looks of that lovely Hind. :lol:

I too heard that story in a old book by Hans Halberstadt. Forget which one, might have been that book about USAEUR. Retreating blade stall or something I think it was called.

[Dachs]

I'm utterly and completely offended and disgusted. :x :!: :wink:

LOL, well just an idea :)

[cobrabase]

How about a Hind dressed up like an Apache or Blackhawk, in that black/greenish paint ?
It would look more NATO/US like, could be usefull in some scenarios.


-Dachs

I'm utterly and completely offended and disgusted. :x :!: :wink:

Yes, why spoil the looks of that lovely Hind. :lol:

I too heard that story in a old book by Hans Halberstadt. Forget which one, might have been that book about USAEUR. Retreating blade stall or something I think it was called.

I've gotta get it! Sounds good!

Oh... retreating blade stall is something different... and NOT easy to learn when flying!! It's when you lose a tremendous amount of lift from the blades rotating AWAY from the direction you are moving (forward let's say). Which side of your chopper it happens depends on which direction your tranny rotates the blades.

[stuart666]

Just hit the books and cant pin it down. Its not in the USAEUR book (by a guy called Skinner) or an acompanying book on Army Aviation by Hans Halberstadt. All the same, both are well worth picking up (particularly the latter, even if its old).

Regardless, Im sure it did happen, though I will defer to you knowledge on blade dynamics on why it happened. Hind has many fine qualities, but the pilot made a big mistake on flying it like a Cobra. :cry:

[Homer]

I've gotta get it! Sounds good!

Oh... retreating blade stall is something different... and NOT easy to learn when flying!! It's when you lose a tremendous amount of lift from the blades rotating AWAY from the direction you are moving (forward let's say). Which side of your chopper it happens depends on which direction your tranny rotates the blades.
The pilot compensates for this by moving the cyclic controls towards the side where the lift is greatest.

The opposite phenomenon occurs on the advancing blades because its rotation speed is added to the foward speed. Also, the amount of lift is not uniform across the entire blade because the outer part is moving faster than the inner part. It's a miracle that helicopters fly at all....

Edit: opps, just read page 1 and you should know this already.... heh