A very important question for Ssnake

[Stratos]

Ok, I'm tired so I will make the question:

We will get the crewable T-72 before 6 months from October 1??

Only need a response for that, If not, I will think seriously in sold the game If anyone is interested.
Thank's

[Skybird03]

:) Ooouh, here we have someone who really is fixated on something, eh? :remybussi:

[Wicked]

I think we'll see a crewable T-72 when SB2 is out. Not sooner.

[enigma6584]

Statos,

Take a deep breath, exhale slowly, take a sip of that wine. Then go get some rest. Be patient.:remybussi:

[Ssnake]

We will get the crewable T-72 before 6 months from October 1??
No. We're going to work on the Pizarro at that point. Maybe that's a consolation to you.

[mbv]

For those of us not totally versed in modern tank nomenclature, what is a Pizarro ??

[jwflowersii]

Stratos,

If you chose to sell your game, I'll consider buying it!

[Sean]

For those of us not totally versed in modern tank nomenclature, what is a Pizarro ??

Its an AFV - read more about it here:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ascod/

[stuart666]

For those of us not totally versed in modern tank nomenclature, what is a Pizarro ??

An Italian Square. Or a small Pizza. :)

[Retro]

We're going to work on the Pizarro at that point.

:debile2: :yltype: :men_ani:

[Ssnake]

Who knows. An Ulan might follow.
Falls das Bundesheer tatsächlich mal in die Pötte kommen sollte.

[TankHunter]

No. We're going to work on the Pizarro at that point. Maybe that's a consolation to you.

That tracked IFV that Spain uses with the 30mm?

[flyboy]

Looks like a Bradley thats been shunted up the back by a M1A1.Nice add on armour.

[Ssnake]

That tracked IFV that Spain uses with the 30mm?
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ascod/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCOD_AFV
http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Espagne/vehicules_legers/ASCOD_Pizarro/Pizarro_Espagne_description.htm

[BlackDeath]

pizzaro? never heard of it..

why not working on a T-55? :)

what is sure is that i wont sell my copy

[cueceleches]

I´m quite glad to see the Pizarro modelled in the future...being from Spain, it makes me feel a bit proud to see an armoured vehicle from my country among the all famous Bradley, Abrams and Leo.
Have you ever thought of modelling any wheeled armoured vehicle like the italian Centauro??? It looks pretty good and makes a change from tracked vehicles.

[WIzzard019]

Until now we(Österr. Bundesheer) use only SB1 maybe some advertising by esim to make them buy Pro....bbut were a small country with a small army and a small budget...but Ulan would be great and maybe a Kuerassier someday...

[Stratos]

MMM Pizarro as crewable, maybe BMR family as AI??

[chrisotto]

Until now we(Österr. Bundesheer) use only SB1 maybe some advertising by esim to make them buy Pro....bbut were a small country with a small army and a small budget...but Ulan would be great and maybe a Kuerassier someday...

Yep, you guys did not want to buy the SAPH arty crew training simulator, acquired in 1999 for CHF 12m, then we tried to push on to you Austrians for CHF 1m back in 2004. Seems like you still did not like the price :).

Kennst Du Österreicherwitze?

[Kingtiger]

No. We're going to work on the Pizarro at that point. Maybe that's a consolation to you.

As crewable? that would be welcome!

[Ssnake]

Until now we(Österr. Bundesheer) use only SB1 maybe some advertising by esim to make them buy Pro....but were a small country with a small army and a small budget...

Well, you do seem to balance it out with a big bureaucracy. :debile2:
Either way: Any country that has an army has enough money for our software. And the Armor School knows very well what we have on offer. One would think that a cash-starved organization like the ÖBH would welcome every opportunity to save some bucks through inexpensive simulation and spend the much needed savings somewhere else. But nooo... :heu:

[chrisotto]

Well, you do seem to balance it out with a big bureaucracy. :debile2:
Either way: Any country that has an army has enough money for our software. And the Armor School knows very well what we have on offer. One would think that a cash-starved organization like the ÖBH would welcome every opportunity to save some bucks through inexpensive simulation and spend the much needed savings somewhere else. But nooo... :heu:

But don't forget the connection between military and economy, i.e. if and when the military is the prime purchasing entity for the whole arms industry of a certain country, as it was in neutral countries like Austria and Switzerland during the Cold War.

Limits on exports were so bad, that for example SIG was not able to export their line of assault rifles and pistols without Sauer providing a foreign base for sales and production. Other points were self development of weapons systems (Pz 68) and export of those (Piranha, with the help of GM).

This leads to massive protectionism of the military industry, while keeping efficiency low...

[NEpi]

it isn't that simple. the effectiveness of a simulation is hard to measure, while the face value of live excercise is very high. it is hard to know how much you've saved by using a simulator, and if you don't have any means of measuring that, you'll end up spending on excercises anyway, which means the simulator costs you extra.

[Ssnake]

the effectiveness of a simulation is hard to measure

No, it's not. If a single cartridge 120mm for training practice costs $1,000.- (well, it's a price range of $700.- to $1,500.-) and you're using those cartridges for training instead of validating training results, the expenditure is very real and tangible and measurable. With just two rounds saved per procured software license you break even. It's a no-brainer.

[Homer]

Civilian politicians control the money. Common sense doesnt always apply.

[Topo]

An Italian Square. Or a small Pizza. :)

Small Pizza in italian is a "Pizzetta"; but in Italy is'nt place for a "Pizza" with less than a 0,40 cm in diameter :-D

Hi all!

[CharlieB]

Civilian politicians control the money. Common sense doesnt always apply.

Oh how very true. But it is really the civil servents who hold the purse strings and advise on what the contents can be spent on. I am amazed that the economists have not realised the cost effectivness of simulated training on a small scale. After all we have CATT but we only have 2 - 1 in Warminster and 1 in Paderbourne. Not really ideal for taking your troop in to practice movment instead of using up valuable track mileage.

One day.....{:~

[Ssnake]

Exactly. A low cost sim improves the throughput of the big simulators by preparing troops with basics before going into the big sim, and presumabyl also by retaining the gained know-how long after they left the big simulator. When you need to cycle an entire corps through a single simulator center, the average soldier gets exposed once a year to simulator-based training. This forfeits be biggest advantage of simulation technology as such (regardless of which particular simulation product you choose) - the ability to cheaply repeat certain lessons until they have been learned. If your troops only go once a year into such a big sim, they take over the role of validating training results instead of training the troops when it should be just the other way. You can no longer afford making too many mistakes in simulator sessions - but then, what's the point in having them?
;)

[Volcano]

...but Ulan would be great and maybe a Kuerassier someday...

You mean you want to see a horse and lance or a large horse, cuirass and sabre modelled? ;)