Tech supp forum didn't bite...trying here.

[Kepler]

Hi all,

Nobody has responded to this question of mine in the support forum, so I'm just trying it here (if this is not the done thing, I apologize).

Well, it's about the mouse cursor in the Leo 2A5; when I'm at the gunner's position and I use the mouse for controlling the gun, there's this nice little black crosshair, nicely set right on top of the gun's crosshair, and when I pull the black crosshair away from the gun's crosshair, the gun follows (you all know how this works, I'm just trying to make sure there are no mistakes here).

When I go to the commander's position and use the periscope screen, that little black crosshair/mouse cursor is still there when I use the mouse, but now it is NOT on top of the dot that indicates where the commander's periscope is looking. It is offset to the right and below the target dot, near the bottom right corner of the box that surrounds the target dot. So when I want to manipulate the periscope, I have to pull the mouse cursor crosshair away from that bottom right corner, instead of away from the center dot - rather annoying!

Now please, someone, tell me that

A) this is an error, and here's how I should fix it, or

B) this is completely normal, the way it SHOULD be, don't fret.

Help. Thank you.

[Lone*star49]

Hi all,

Nobody has responded to this question of mine in the support forum, so I'm just trying it here (if this is not the done thing, I apologize).

Well, it's about the mouse cursor in the Leo 2A5; when I'm at the gunner's position and I use the mouse for controlling the gun, there's this nice little black crosshair, nicely set right on top of the gun's crosshair, and when I pull the black crosshair away from the gun's crosshair, the gun follows (you all know how this works, I'm just trying to make sure there are no mistakes here).

When I go to the commander's position and use the periscope screen, that little black crosshair/mouse cursor is still there when I use the mouse, but now it is NOT on top of the dot that indicates where the commander's periscope is looking. It is offset to the right and below the target dot, near the bottom right corner of the box that surrounds the target dot. So when I want to manipulate the periscope, I have to pull the mouse cursor crosshair away from that bottom right corner, instead of away from the center dot - rather annoying!

Now please, someone, tell me that

A) this is an error, and here's how I should fix it, or

B) this is completely normal, the way it SHOULD be, don't fret.

Help. Thank you.
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Hey Kepler, ya must have hit vacation week..lol

But IIRC, the Leo 2A5's sighting system is much like the M1's, in that, once you lase a target, in the M1, the reticle/sights appears to "float" and you have to settle/reattain the sights on a moving target. And IIRC, when you lase in the 2A5, the sights stay/stop behind a moving target and you then have to re-aquire, catch up, putting the sights back on the target and then fire.

A little awkward for both tanks, until you get used to it after being completely spoiled by the perfect sights of the Leo 2A4's.. lol

Can't speak for using the mouse for lasing, tracking, as I use a joystick, but the same effects are the same for either method IIRC.


Good luck



LS

[Kepler]

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Hey Kepler, ya must have hit vacation week..lol

But IIRC, the Leo 2A5's sighting system is much like the M1's, in that, once you lase a target, in the M1, the reticle/sights appears to "float" and you have to settle/reattain the sights on a moving target. And IIRC, when you lase in the 2A5, the sights stay/stop behind a moving target and you then have to re-aquire, catch up, putting the sights back on the target and then fire.

A little awkward for both tanks, until you get used to it after being completely spoiled by the perfect sights of the Leo 2A4's.. lol

Can't speak for using the mouse for lasing, tracking, as I use a joystick, but the same effects are the same for either method IIRC.


Good luck



LS

Hi Lone Star, thanks for the reply, but I'm afraid I must have expressed myself somewhat unclearly, because that wasn't really my point. Let me see if I can make things clear;

In the Leo 2A5, when I go to the gunner's station and press the left mouse button to engage the mouse control of the gun, the black mouse cursor crosshair pops up at the centre of the gun's crosshair.

When I go to the commander's station, enter the periscope screen and press the left mouse button to engage the mouse control of the periscope, the black mouse cursor crosshair does NOT pop up at the targeting dot in the centre of the periscope screen, but offset a good distance to the right and below the central targeting dot.

Question is: Is this how it should be? Do you also get that on your computer?

[Hase]

Hi!

Question is: Is this how it should be? Do you also get that on your computer?
Happens here too, but I find it normal.

@Lone*star49
Thank God Leo2A5DK´s FCS is not similiar to M1A1´s... Nothing floats here.
In an LeoAS1 you have to catch up again while holding the automatic lead button.

Regards
Hase

[Ssnake]

I did answer in the tech support forum a few minutes ago. I don't like it either, but technically it's not a bug since the functionality as such is not impeded.

[Lone*star49]

Hi!

Happens here too, but I find it normal.

@Lone*star49
Thank God Leo2A5DK´s FCS is not similiar to M1A1´s... Nothing floats here.
In an LeoAS1 you have to catch up again while holding the automatic lead button.

Regards
Hase
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Hey Hase,

I had hoped that using the comparison between the M1 1A's "floating sights" once one lases a moving target, and the Leo 2A5's sights, (If the 2A5 is the right tank I was thinking of), sights "stop" (not float) after lasing a moving target, then one had to reacquire, re-capture, catch-up, to the target, which I deem/term "settling" the sights back on the/a target. Not that both sights after lasing "floated", sorry if it appeared to read that way, but that both Tanks mentioned, have IMO, awkward (or IMO out of date) sighting systems, unlike the near perfect, IMO, sights of the Leo 2A4's.


And, I agree with you, that the M1 1A's sighting system is the worst on the block, of all the Tanks offered in this sim, noting that, if as mentioned in other various threads, there was an affordable Cadillac for 2 handed tracking, then the floating-sights of the M1 1A would most likely be overcome easily with practice, unlike any of the joysticks I have tried throughout the years, if the target is moving and making rapid changes of direction, left to right, etc.

But then again I missed, entirely, what Kepler's problem really was.. lol



LS

[Hase]

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Hey Hase,

I had hoped that using the comparison between the M1 1A's "floating sights" once one lases a moving target, and the Leo 2A5's sights, (If the 2A5 is the right tank I was thinking of), sights "stop" after lasing a moving target, then one had to reacquire, re-capture, catch-up to the target, which I deem "settling" the sights back on the/a target. Not that both sights after lasing "floated", but that both Tanks mentioned, have IMO, awkward (or IMO out of date) sighting systems, unlike the near perfect, IMO, sights of the Leo 2A4's.
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LS

Hi lone*star49,

it´s off-topic and not really important, but I don´t understand your point. For the gunner there´s no real difference while shooting in stabilized mode between an A4 and an A5 (last one has possibility to use first echo of the LRF). For the CDR it´s also nearly the same in both models, except for the monitor and the TI. What do you mean with "sights "stop" after lasing a moving target"?

Regards
Hase

[Lone*star49]

Hi lone*star49,

it´s off-topic and not really important, but I don´t understand your point. For the gunner there´s no real difference while shooting in stabilized mode between an A4 and an A5 (last one has possibility to use first echo of the LRF). For the CDR it´s also nearly the same in both models, except for the monitor and the TI. What do you mean with "sights "stop" after lasing a moving target"?

Regards
Hase
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Indeed, we're off-topic, (because of my misinterpretation if Kepler's problem) but it happens a lot in many threads.. lol, and brings about some good course-change topics.. lol

I'll go back to the *Gun Range, and find out exactly what German Tank, *(it's been awhile), it was and then try and patch this conversation up in regards to the sights stopping..

My best,



LS

[Ssnake]

Could be that you're referring to the Leo AS1 with the SABCA fire control system. That works entirely different from the rest. Track the target, lase, reticule gets offset (but not updated by floating average like the M1's). Recenter crosshairs on target, fire. If you have several targets all moving at the same speed you could actually shoot faster than with any other FCS this way - but of course the method works only as long as all targets maintain that speed.

[Lone*star49]

Could be that you're referring to the Leo AS1 with the SABCA fire control system. That works entirely different from the rest. Track the target, lase, reticule gets offset (but not updated by floating average like the M1's). Recenter crosshairs on target, fire. If you have several targets all moving at the same speed you could actually shoot faster than with any other FCS this way - but of course the method works only as long as all targets maintain that speed.
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Thanks Ssnake, it has been awhile, and I'm sure both you and Hase are correct about my error in thinking it was the 2A5, as without doubt, by your description, it was, and is, the Leo AS1 I was, or should have, referred to.

My bad..



LS