Windows Vista

[saber_35]

Hi, I am hoping someone can help me with a problem I am having getting Steel Beasts (legacy) to work with Windows Vista. I hear that there other people using Vista that are not having any problems at all. I have updated everything I can update to no avail. I can get the game to work in safe mode but of course there is no sound because the sound card is disabled in safe mode and "sound error" messages pop up on the screen, but the game does work in safe mode. The PC I am using is a HP/ 4200 AMD /1024MB memory/ 320 GB HD/ and an Nvidia 6150 LE The mother board is an ASUS A8M2N-LA (HP name Nodus M3-GL8E) I have also tried the "compatibilty mode". Some product vendors have said the problem is with the graphics driver and other have said it is conflicting with an application or program running in the back ground. Any help or suggestions would greatly be appreciated. I miss playing this game. Thank you, Jeff Nashville, Tn.

[dejawolf]

so you bought into the vista hype?
i bet you feel like a sucker now, dont you?
best tip i can give: you're better off with XP for the next 2-3 years, until vista becomes usable.

[Wicked]

So true. Best tip ever. Keep Windows XP for the coming years. I cannot name one game that supports DirectX10. Shoot, I cannot name one game that is being made right now for DirectX10, can you? Well... probably FSX from Microsoft. lol But thats it.

Cheers! 8)

[CriticalMass]

That's so boring!

I've got Vista, had no problems (other than the usual things moving from one OS to another gives). So I gotta work to make some things work...so what! Like Ssnake says Vista isn't supported by the eSim. M$ have built the OS, it's upto the application devs to make it run on that OS. Same as, same as... Ssnake (again) is consistently telling people that they have made Steel Beasts to conform to the standards set out by Microsoft (good on them), so Microsoft have changed those standards...get over it. Apple do it too and plenty ppl complain; you just can't hear it so much. 10% of Mac users is way less than 10% Windows users.

LOL, 2-3 years. So that's how long you expect eSim to take before they will support Vista :confused:. BTW, did you only take up XP only in the last 1-2 years?

I hate to be seen to defend Microsoft.

So you need to upgrade your RAM! Jeez I upgraded from 1/2 to 1 MB for £150 in 1987 so I could play Panther Games Firebrigade.

TANX
Andrew

P.S. no I'm not trying to make myself feel better because I run Vista :biggrin:

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[Volcano]

Well he already has Vista so why badger him about it? I was thinking about getting Vista with a new computer soon. I mean, if I am getting a new computer I might as well get Vista on it rather then going the upgrade route later. Might as well get it over with! ;)

[Hedgehog]

Westwood studios/EA games made a patch so C&C95 would run on XP

Course fat lot of good that does you.

[dejawolf]

i'd rather have my ram doing important stuff, like storing roguesnakes 2048 textures ;)
nothing is going to change the fact that M$ vista is bloatware.
if it hadn't been for the fact i was unable to run 3ds max 6 on windows 98, i'd still be running that.
BSODs or not, it was a blisteringly fast loader compared to XP.

pweh, microsoft symphatizers. excusists.
"i just bought a new car, and i love the steering wheel! the rest of the parts might need changing out, but thats fine with me...."

[dejawolf]

oh, heres a raging battle of the OSes.

http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/18154/

[saber_35]

I have not used XP before. My old pc had windows 98 on it. It has been a few years since I have played steel beasts. So why are some people with vista not having problems and why am I having problems?

[Sean]

Its all about the graphics driver. You need to get one thats willing to do 640x480.

[saber_35]

Can you tell why the game works while in "safe mode"?

[CriticalMass]

hardly an excusist...cos you don't know me. :remybussi:

I guess it boils down to be a personal choice thing, so one shouldn't be attacked or badgered for making there choice if hurts no one else. If you don't have specific answers to a query, why say anything.

I've done several posts here to help those that might want (or maybe HAVE) to run Vista.

"I'm gonna keep my old car cos it fits in my garage; despite the fact it's got no poor safety features and it pollutes the atmosphere"

;)

dejawolf, just out of curiosity who do you blame Autodesk or Microsoft?

[Ssnake]

Another point of trouble might be the monitor driver. Microsoft's generic monitor driver may not support 640x480 modes, so you may want to pick one that is specifically suited for your monitor (or one that works with it and which supports the required mode).

[Ssnake]

As far as Vista bashing is concerned, I think it's a bit pointless. So far the debate has been the same when '95 was introduced, 2000, and XP. And it's also been the same issues with the drivers. It sucks to be an early adopter, but at some point everybody will cave in. The one essential factor is driver support. Once that hardware manufacturers stopped developing new drivers for '95, it was essentially dead though still popular at that time. It's the same with '98, 2000, and XP. Right now XP is the best choice if you can do without the new Vista features since driver support is optimal. At some point the initial driver situation will be solved for Vista, at which point a migration will no longer be "unadvisable".

Once that we're done with our ongoing contracts we're going to look into Vista compatibility for SB Pro. Right now it seems as if SB Pro can be made to work under Vista even though there may be a few bumps on the road. Our job is not to dictate our customers' choice of operating systems but to support whatever is requested, as long as we have the capacity and know-how to do it.

[Gibsonm]

Not sure that “fixing” SB Pro PE to run under Vista will help, as he refers to “Steel Beasts (Legacy)” which I guess means the original, not Steel Beasts Pro PE.

The other issue of course is which of the multiple versions of Vista (Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ultimate) are you trying to use?

[saber_35]

Hello, it is the "legacy" I am refering to. When I purchased this PC about a month ago, I didn't know Microsoft had a new OS. So I'm thinking this will be far better than windows 98. Boy was I wrong. I don't know what version I have except it is Vista Home Premium.

[Sean]

Safe mode works because its microsoft's display driver, not the card vendor's one.

[saber_35]

Ah thank you that makes perfect sense. I do not understand why microsoft would not incorporate all the updated drivers, fixes, patches from Windows XP into Windows Vista. Seems to me that would save alot of headaches for alot of people. Actually I think it's really a dumb thing on their part. Jeff

[Ssnake]

It may be that Vista's different security architecture doesn't allow a simple copying of drivers but that, while the technical core may be the same, they need to follow new procedures or at least that they need to be certified and work in secure mode as well.
Drivers interact with the hardware at a very fundamental level. It doesn't make sense to build an operating system with high security standards when something as simple as a hardware driver can undermine and compromise security. It seems to me as if this were the price to pay for better system security (which I support, generally speaking).

[dejawolf]

so much for vistas "security" :

http://apcmag.com/5512/pirate_crack_vista_oem_activation

[SKeeM]

So true. Best tip ever. Keep Windows XP for the coming years. I cannot name one game that supports DirectX10. Shoot, I cannot name one game that is being made right now for DirectX10, can you? Well... probably FSX from Microsoft. lol But thats it.

Cheers! 8)

Crysis is not only DX10 but the first game to support the core 2 dueo. Yes 64 bit. And Vista is the only 64 bit OS. But that would leave you with only 1 game to play for awile.

Now to respond to the topic. First you need atleast 2 gigs of ram to run Vista. Vista needs atleast 1 gig for its self to run smoothly. Second you need to run the 32 bit version of Vista, Not the 64 bit version to run games. I have Flash Point Germany, Battle Stations Midway, Supream Commander, Battlefield 2 and 2142 running on my Vista with no probs at all.

[tankenator]

Linux was the first of the mainstream OS to run on the AMD64/EMT64 platform, (solaris or DEC's unix/vms may have been first to the 64 bit OS) and is very viable. Now as to whether you can run those games under it is another story....fi developers would use cross platform toolkits they would be able to easily make multiple versions that would be cost effective, but i digress.

Neither is Vista MicroSloth's only 64 bit OS, I am writing this on a machine which dual boots linux and winblows XP 64 bit edition. And yes, it is faster with exactly the same hardware than the winblows pro that it replaced (likely due to the updated kernel 64 gives, they ripped it from windows server 2003 product) Framerates may be negligably slower, difficult to tell but it would be only 1-2 frames, that is acceptable to me for the added speed i notice in daily file activities etc with the os in general.

[Skybird03]

No Vista for me on my current system, never - current computer is a horse that I plan to ride to death.

If I buy a complete system eventually, in 2-3 years, I probably will be willing to give Vista a try in case it is pre-installed, but if the feedback until then is not convicning, I'll delete it and reinstall XP. If I pick separate components and build a PC myself, I'll stick with XP.

I am very hostile to MS's attempts of overregulation, overcontrolling, and this digital rights management thing. I simply refuse to accept to be exclusively depending on them deciding wether a software will be allowed to run on my PC, or not. Defending against piracy is one thing - doing it at the cost of the majority of honest, legal customers is another. For the same reason I was absolutely unforgiving concernign Starforce and boycotted all SF-software consequently.

Beyond that, too much eye-candy in Vista. If I want to see graphical gimmicks, I play an action game or watch a movie. An OS should be designed to need as little ressources as possible - with Vista it is exactly the opposite, not only RAM-wise, but even concenring graohic boards, PSU. Stupid, and dilletantic a design decision, in my eyes. They made the OS a piece of entertainment - where an OS only is needed as a stage for that.

It took them quite some time to get SP2 for XP into shape, and that had plenty of compatability issues still. I predict we will wait even longer until Vista is brought into shape.

[dejawolf]

doesnt matter what is said. vista sales is up about 20 million already.

[Gibsonm]

Well the more people who join Microsoft's 2nd round Beta test programme the better I say.

Look forward to moving to it sometime after SP3 comes out.