German Homepage down

[Eisenschwein]

Hallo, aus Hardewaregründen ist die deutsche SB Hompage >Panzerbataillon911.de< down!

We have Hardeware Probs, so our Homepage >Panzerbataillion911.de< is down.

Neue URL / New URL :

http://www.familie-kuhrt.de/portal/user/index.php

[silberwiese]

Hallo, aus Hardewaregründen ist die deutsche SB Hompage >Panzerbataillon911.de< down!

We have Hardeware Probs, so our Homepage >Panzerbataillion911.de< is down.

Neue URL / New URL :

http://www.familie-kuhrt.de/portal/user/index.php


Kann mich auf der Ersatz Home nicht anmelden...

Schon vorhersehbar wie lange es dauert? Wir sind doch nicht gehackt worden...oder?

EDIT: auch registrieren geht nicht

[LeoA6]

Hallo,
ich ebenfalls nicht..

[Erazor]

Moin.

Anmelden sollte gehen. Keine Fehler bekannt. Wie lange es dauert, kA. Ursache ist ein Hardwareschaden.

[Homer]

This is an English speaking forum, please post in English.

[silberwiese]

This is an English speaking forum, please post in English.

When i want to speak to you, i will speak english!



Bei mir lag es am Browser, mit dem IE gings nicht. Mit Opera kein Problem.

[Chaplain]

You should smile when you say that, Homer. :-)

[Homer]

I said please... and it certainly didnt warrant such a rude reply.

Next time, I will not ask and just start pushing buttons instead.

[silberwiese]

I said please... and it certainly didnt warrant such a rude reply.

Next time, I will not ask and just start pushing buttons instead.

Stop. Tis is a misunderstandig, it was not a rude reply! You know that all german guys (an me) here always posted in english. This time it is a exceptio, because our Homepage is down. I don't expected that the non-german users are interested in this topic!

[Ssnake]

I think there's a bit of overreaction here. I don't think this board has a rule that excludes the use of languages other than English. As long as English remains the lingua franca I don't see what would be wrong about French guys talking French Steel Beasts matters in French - as long as Steel Beasts related matters are being discussed here at all.
It is a matter of good manners and netiquette to use English whenever possible, but pushing buttons is not the kind of reaction that I'd expect to see next time I write down Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter.

[Homer]

Stop. Tis is a misunderstandig, it was not a rude reply! You know that all german guys (an me) here always posted in english. This time it is a exceptio, because our Homepage is down. I don't expected that the non-german users are interested in this topic!

So you are trying to tell me that if I met your mother and said "If I want to hear from you, I will speak German". It would not be rude?

The last time I checked we are part of the same community. What is good for you is ultimately also good for me... so why would I not be interested?

[Scorpius]

Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter.

Was? Was das ist? My German sux!!! :p

[Homer]

I think there's a bit of overreaction here. I don't think this board has a rule that excludes the use of languages other than English. As long as English remains the lingua franca I don't see what would be wrong about French guys talking French Steel Beasts matters in French - as long as Steel Beasts related matters are being discussed here at all.
It is a matter of good manners and netiquette to use English whenever possible, but pushing buttons is not the kind of reaction that I'd expect to see next time I write down Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter.


If you have a problem with something that I do as an administrator/moderator, can you discuss the problem with me privately rather than publicly? You might not disagree with my methods if you allowed me the opportunity to explain the reason behind my actions. Even if you don’t agree with it, you hopefully can understand my position before you publicly slap me around a bit and question my competency.

I realize you have no idea who I am, but you should know that I have a lot of experience with virtual communities and I believe our priorities for SB.com are very much the same (I can even appreciate the business aspects). I view my role as administrator is to maintain a place where any person from anywhere in the world can visit to have their SB related question or problem addressed, and more importantly to meet and talk to other people who share the same interests.

With this goal in mind, here is why I insisted that people post in English:

An online community requires 3 basic ingredients: people, a common interest, and the ability to talk to each other. The ability to communicate and to understand each other is critical to group cohesion and growth. The common thread for 99% of the SB community is English. A common language is useless when it is not used. When someone doesn’t understand what someone else is talking about, the community fragments and everyone suffers the consequences in the long run.

To put this in context, I will use this thread as an example. You wrote: "In the last two threads I see perfect justification for the use of languages other than English since they were dealing with regional issues." It may be a regional issue but is a regional solution the only answer? Since it's only in German, it's guaranteed that it will remain that way because the non-German readers who click on that thread will only see the German text and .03 secs later has moved on to the next thread. If their problem was clearly communicated and understood by the non-German speaking members of the community, someone might be able to help. Perhaps a member of our community has their broken hardware item collecting dust in their closet. I speak from personal experience when I say that the SB community is capable of such acts of generosity and have done so without asking anything in return. This is the kind of SB community that I am trying encourage when I ask people to speak English. I am very deliberate in what I do with a goal in mind.

If you want me to continue as an administrator, you are going to have to trust me and allow me the latitude to do what I know is best for the community. When I am not sure what is best, I have always consulted with Sean.

[silberwiese]

So you are trying to tell me that if I met your mother and said "If I want to hear from you, I will speak German". It would not be rude?
...

@Homer: Don't include my mother in this discussion! Make it not a personal matter!

[jens198]

Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter.
Was? Was das ist? My German sux!!! :p

For our non-german speaking users:

"Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter"

means something like

"Danubeshippingcompanycaptain's capholder"

It's a joke for the german habit to form unnatural long words by puting lots of nouns in a row.

Jens

[Kingtiger]

Im with homer on this, once for several years back I started a swedish topic here (when forming BGS) but that was long way back and nowadays Im understanding the irritation other persons have when topics arent written in english.

This is a multi language community, and we should all stay to one common language, wich happens to be English.

I hate when a topic is written here and I cant understand what its saying.

Ewen thoe it might be germans to germans its still should be written in English.

If anyone feel forced to write in any other language, make sure to write it in english as well so people that doesnt understand your language can understand whats saying atleast.

Its simple respect for the rest of the members of this community!

Cheers KT

[Vati]

Yep... if you want to write in non-english, please, either use PM function or write in non-english with english translation paragraph.

[addition]I also think that there is no need to jump on person who does not follow this. It can be explained in nice way what is the rule and ask him kindly to try to follow it.

[Sean]

I agree with homer. I realize that english is not everyones first language, but it is the common one that we use here.

[dejawolf]

ja, jeg synes det er ekstremt respektløst å drive å snakke på tysk, det hjelper bare til å fremmedgjøre dere fra andre mennesker.

in english:
yes, i think its extremely respectless to only speak in german, it only helps to alienate you from other people here.

with other norwegians on this board, i'd only use my country's language as a friendly gesture, not carry out whole discussions in norwegian.

[Retro]

I view my role as administrator is to maintain a place where any person from anywhere in the world can visit to have their SB related question or problem addressed

As long as they speak english :rolleyes:

[Snakeater]

Server is back online

[silberwiese]

You all misinterpreted my statements!

I never wanted to admit that there should be another language than english.

I find it quite respectless, when users turn it to a personal matter! Blaming me i'm respectless is totally disproportionate!

[Scorpius]

For our non-german speaking users:

"Donaudampfschiffahrtgsesellschaftskapitänsmützenha lter"

means something like

"Danubeshippingcompanycaptain's capholder"

It's a joke for the german habit to form unnatural long words by puting lots of nouns in a row.

Jens

LOL! Danke schon. :debile2:

[Joe]

Would you please accept, that this is a temporarily matter (German homepage being down) as well as a temporarily thread, and would you please accept, that not all of the German guys are willing or able to read/write in English as some of us do. Maybe it's a good sign of being a community that they might get some information about where to go instead.
Whenever this problem is solved you might let this thread disappear in data nirvana or do whatever you wanna.
Btw did you actually notice that this thread started in English also, and are you really interested in the status of the German server?

[dejawolf]

You all misinterpreted my statements!

I never wanted to admit that there should be another language than english.

I find it quite respectless, when users turn it to a personal matter! Blaming me i'm respectless is totally disproportionate!

but you ARE acting disrespectful. at least according to norwegian, english, american, and probably some other moral codes i haven't mentioned. oh yeah, swedish.

[Ssnake]

Has anyone here considered that the "tactlessness" or "disrespect" might be rooted in insufficient language skills?
In direct translations the initial remarks here aren't disrespectful in German. They come across like it in English, I totally understand it. But it's a translation error. The whole thing here is blown out of proportion over a simple misunderstanding, and I think that it's time for everybody to step back a bit and watch this trainwreck over nothing.

[Ssnake]

I mean, if you want to show someone manners, it's not exactly a sign of good manners to jump at his throat. A true gentleman will assume goodwill unless proven otherwise, and act accordingly.

[Chaplain]

Seriously, I thought Homer was joking at first. I was a bit surprised that he was serious.

If we need to create a English-only rule, then please1) decide that the rule is official,
2) publicize the rule,
and only then3) enforce the rule.
Such an approach leads to far fewer misunderstanding and hard feelings.

[Eisenschwein]

Homer I promise to sleep one night to reply. So I do. :-(

[Kingtiger]

Well guys, im not a damn intressted about your server. you guys just hade the bad luck to be the choosen ones... ;)

If you look in help forum there is german posts as well... where Ssnake replied in german to. That info could be useful for someone else...

But if they dont understand german they will miss that info.

and its not only germans that are being picked at, there is a Dutch speaking tread at the moment here as well somewhere. (and yes its about dutch players, but still I cant understand a dime)

I think we should do what Chaplain suggested, lets make english the default and only allowed language.

Or else we can all start speak in our native languages, that would be damn intressting now wouldnt it?

And about certain ppl that dont cant speak english...

When I joined this forum I hardly could speak or write english, but Lonestar amongst many corrected me and help me learn betther english.

And those ppl who cant speak english, how do they think they will get around in this world where english is default language?

(I dont forget the incident where Rebelle entered my tank and gunned it without ewen understanding english and when I shouted at him because of a contact he didnt understand and we got killed, twice...)

/KT

[tarball]

I'm willing to use Babelfish - but the nonsense that comes out is usually laughable and could really lead to misunderstanding.

To be fair, Eisenschwein did do a translation in english and was just trying to get a quick word out.

Let's not forget that we'd like to keep our German friends at steelbeasts.de as friends - we have played 3 "long night of the tanks" with them and they have all been rewarding experiences.

Additionally, it is always good to clarify and enforce rules. However, on the otherhand case-by-case flexibility works too. I do not undertake the arduous task of being a moderator, so I tend to consider the moderator's wishes first and then start a healthy discussion second.

As an American who speaks english primarily (and laughable Spanish secondarily), I've always sympathized with the fact that people in the rest of the world are encumbered with learned english well AND their native tongue. I am fairly representative of many Americans who do not HAVE to learn a second language to a high degree of functionality. Therefor, some modicum of patience is what I reach for first.

We are a small community - I think we can find ways to respect each other and allow space to resolve misunderstandings.

[Chaplain]

I think we should do what Chaplain suggested, lets make english the default and only allowed language.

Ack! I didn't suggest we make such a rule. :shocked: I don't think it would be a good idea, myself.

However, if it is really necessary to make it a rule, let's be sure that the leaders of the community all agree that it is a rule, and let's make sure everyone knows it is a rule.

[Kingtiger]

Ack! I didn't suggest we make such a rule. :shocked: I don't think it would be a good idea, myself.

However, if it is really necessary to make it a rule, let's be sure that the leaders of the community all agree that it is a rule, and let's make sure everyone knows it is a rule.

Well, I thought its a good idea atleast, ewen if you didnt intend to suggest it from the begining :)

/KT

[ShermansWar]

Would you please accept, that this is a temporarily matter (German homepage being down) as well as a temporarily thread, and would you please accept, that not all of the German guys are willing or able to read/write in English as some of us do. Maybe it's a good sign of being a community that they might get some information about where to go instead.
Whenever this problem is solved you might let this thread disappear in data nirvana or do whatever you wanna.
Btw did you actually notice that this thread started in English also, and are you really interested in the status of the German server?

No, the real problem is we wanna shoot at the German guys but we don't Know where they're hiding. The rest is just a cover story.

[dejawolf]

notice how it is mostly just the english native speakers who are against enforcing people to speak english on SB.com.
IMO, its extremely disrespectful towards us who HAVE gone through the issues of learning a second language, only so that we have to listen to a 3rd language, and not understand a blip.

[Eisenschwein]

LOL, so Sherman find us, before we find YOU! But this is a US Problem all over the world I think.....

Rest follows after work.

[Thiefcatcher]

1)Well, I can´t undestand why a simple Information, what has been posted in english and german makes such a wave here.

2) Other people have been posting here in their particular languages with out beeing pushed for that. i.e. Ssnake

3) Hey guys, it has just be an Information for the people looking frequenly over our page that the page was down. With a few german answers. jesus, as someone already said, we always post in english on other threats.

Schönen Tag noch...... (have a nice day)

TC

[Kingtiger]

1)Well, I can´t undestand why a simple Information, what has been posted in english and german makes such a wave here.

It isnt just the information about the server that its all about. its about what language to use on the forum, you just had the bad luck to be the spark to spring the discussion


2) Other people have been posting here in their particular languages with out beeing pushed for that. i.e. Ssnake

Dutchmens are being hunted to ;)
http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=9860


3) Hey guys, it has just be an Information for the people looking frequenly over our page that the page was down. With a few german answers. jesus, as someone already said, we always post in english on other threats.


Schönen Tag noch...... (have a nice day)

TC
Read above, its nothing personal against you or germans at all, as you see in the link I gaved you Homer djumped (rightfully) on the dutch guys to.

This is a community where we share information... and therefor ewerybody should be able to read and understand it, so not a speciel group (like spanes or Danes) can understand it. That would be to leaving the idea with a community out.

You guys (germans) shouldnt be upsett that its you that get attacked about this at all, you just had the bad luck that the topic about wich language to use started in this tread.

/KT

[Erazor]

I think everything that needed to be said was said.

Therefor we should put down the axe of war and return to normal business. If some "personalities" feel flamed; their problem. 4 pages about a simple information is already very hard. Maybe one of the mods is so nice and closes this thread.

I hope it's in evryones opinion, to keep the peace under the communities worldwide.

I'm out...

[jens198]

Maybe we can meet up in teamspeak once a week or so and have an hour learning the other ones mother tounge.

This week: German Lesson One: "Das ist mein Panzer" = "This is my tank"
Next week: French Lesson One "Baguette, Jeannette, Bistro"
.
.
.

[Scorpius]

I don't really see why this should be such a big issue. I don't see a problem to have language-specific threads or non-english speaking members here. For ever SB member who doesn't speak english, there is always somebody around to give a decent translation as this has always been an international community. Not every person who visits here may even speak english. We should be accomodating to all because it's a way to help the community grow.
Out of 2727 members, only 431 are actively participating. This misunderstanding between Homer and Silberwiese is just that, a misunderstanding and folks should just be calm.

But by the same token if rules are going to be made, then they should be clear-cut and clearly posted for all to read. Whatever you guys do, that's between Esim and The mods, privately.

My .02 cents..

[Ssnake]

Just a clarification on my part:
Yes, I fully support that English be the standard language of this forum. It always has been, and I don't see a trend that this might change anytime in the foreseeable future. It's not as if this forum were overrun with a babylonic mix of foreign language threads only.

At the same time we need to accept that the world is a diverse place. I rather have a central meeting place for all Steel Beasts players where we tolerate the one or other thread in languages other than English than to squeeze people out who can't speak, read, and write English well to found their own national forum. I mean, the number of players from Austria, for example, is about a dozen in total. Does that warrant a website www.SteelBeasts.at? It is more likely that such a place would never be made at all, and that might further reduce the chances of SB to grow into a prospering community in the eastern Alps.

There has never been a threat that the prevailing language in this forum would one day not be English. Obviously everybody profits from the fact that there is one standard language, and I don't see that anyone here actively promotes a transition to a standardized multi-language forum. But it always is the majority that needs to express tolerance in the first place. Therefore we as the majority of English-speaking visitors should accept the fact that not everybody can speak English well - at least not at the beginnning of his career as a regular visitor of this site. People learn, times change, so do websites and civilizations.
We are a diverse bunch of naked apes, and we need to accept that diversity as a part of our nature. It doesn't mean we have to tolerate everything, but I really don't see how these two recent threads could justify the stir that resulted from them.

It is polite and in everybody's interest to use English here, but it simply is not an enforcible rule that English be used at all cost. Or at least I for one am not willing to pay the price for it - making people uncomfortable when coming here just because they decided that for their specific issue they would be better off to formulate it in their native language.

[Jester_UK]

While I see the sense in the suggestion of a single language rule, I can also see the plight of those forum members who for whatever reason can't master English. I peronally can't seem to learn another language (not through want of trying. I studied French at school and failed miserably and lived in South Africa for 20 years, only ever managing to master enough Afrikaans to know when to smile at someone or when to hit them!!). My point being that not everyone has the natural ability to master a second language.

I have (as a born and bred Englishman and native abuser of the English language) always been amazed at the ability and willingness of other major language groupings (such as French, Spannish and German etc) to learn and master English (which is possibly one of the most difficult languages to learn due to every rule of English having at least one exception!).

On the other hand being the administrator of a small forum myself I can understand things from that side as well..... Afterall if you can't understand what's being said, how can you administer or moderate the forum?

So while someone being singled out for an inability to write English fluently is wrong, it's equally wrong to critisise someone in Homer's position for trying to keep control over the forum he's responsible for (a responsibility that AFAIK he performs on a voluntary basis, receiving no reward for his time or effort).

The point I'm trying to make is that there's no right or wrong in this thread. There is however an issue that does need to be considered. But it must be considered in such a way as to not exclude sections of the community due to something as basic as a language difficulty.

[Eisenschwein]

Sorry Homer, my Members ask me not to post the kind words I find for you.

Your right, this Forum need a common language. I agree with your arguments, but I disagree with the way you did.

I will dicuss this with Sean, but not here.

Set up new rules, I´m fine with that. But what are the consequences ? Kick everyone post a word in his own language, or two, 10 words ???

After hijack my Thread, lets see what your plans are.

[Paladin]

Perhaps setting aside some space for a "Native language" Forum Heading would be a solution to the problem at hand. In that way people who are not fluent in English or are more comfortable using there native language have an avenue open for contact. The obviously high maturity level of this community makes abuse of such a forum highly unlikely.

[Ghost]

This is what i think this thread has become...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

[stalintc]

Did someone call for a fire extinguisher? :biggrin:

By the way the panzerbattalion911 website is down, if you wish to view this page goto http://www.familie-kuhrt.de/portal/user/index.php

K thread back on track. ;)

[Sean]

Ok, everyone has said what they want to say.