#81  
Old 03-12-2012, 09:17 PM
Ssnake's Avatar
Ssnake Ssnake is offline
Senior Member
Scenario Contest Judge SB Pro PE Beta Tester 
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hannover, Germany
Posts: 16,377
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

Around 3:40 you set up a waypoint tactic "Defend" for CO/A. When running the exercise it would NOT behave like "Defend" is described in Chapter 8, but default to "Hold" behavior because there is no unconditioned retreat route specified. If a route is a dead end, the only option for a unit is to stay in this position until the bitter end.
If you want them to react intelligently to incoming fire, you must have some sort of an escape plan - that is, an unconditioned route leading away from the untenable position if you want to rely on the implicit embark conditions that Steel Beasts has built in, or you need to set up one or more conditioned routes with contingency plans for incoming direct and indirect fire.

Then there's the meta critique. You have the CO move alone with any form of protection or backup through a forest, across a stream (where in real life you wouldn't know whether it could be crossed at all), then across a railroad embankment (which in real life has pretty steep flanks of approximately 45...50% inclination, very close to the limit of 60% for most tracked military vehicles under optimal conditions of traction). This doesn't play a role in SB yet because the terrain is artificially simple to traverse, but I bet that in real life the by far simpler solution would have been for the CO to break off at waypoint three and take the road across the rail line a bit further to the west of the current crossing point. That is, if you still want to send out the CO to his very lonely position.

Of course you're in control of your own scenario, so you know that there won't be a flank threat from the northern river embankment where the CO would be really, terribly exposed. But would you risk that in real life?
__________________
Do not use PMs to contact me - send me an email if you want me to do you a favor, and I'll be your happy servant.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 03-13-2012, 12:37 AM
Toyguy's Avatar
Toyguy Toyguy is offline
Senior Member
Campaign CO Red Scenario Design Contest Winner 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Vermont - USA
Posts: 456
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

Thanks for the input guys.

The routing for 5A and 3A is still incomplete, and we'll be dealing with the other logical alternatives in a subsequent video. For this stage of the development, having them just follow 2A is an acceptable circumstance.

I had the recorded positions for my route end points from a separate version of the scenario which I use "behind the scenes", so I didn't think it made much sense to drop waypoints ahead of time, but thinking on it more, it would be a useful technique to include.

As for CO/A, yes, that's a simplification. His routing also isn't complete yet, not having any alternate possibilities as Ssnake pointed out. We'll be getting to that also. Good points though on the movement not being very realistic and/or wise. I'll have to think about that - I'm not really teaching tactics as such, nor am I qualified to, so the simple approach may be alright. Heck, anyone who's seen me play on Friday night knows my knowledge of armor tactics pretty well ends at getting in the tank
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 03-13-2012, 01:20 AM
DarkAngel's Avatar
DarkAngel DarkAngel is offline
Senior Member
Campaign CO Red Friday Night Battle CO - 10x Campaign CO Blue SB Pro PE Beta Tester 
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: NE Tasmania
Posts: 1,274
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

I realize the routes for 5/A and 3/A are incomplete but I think a rethink of how you are doing it may still help. From the logic statements there are 4 possibilities that you need to trap (1/A and 2/A can't see enemy: 1/A can see enemy and 2/A can't: 1/A Can't see enemy and 2/A can: 1/A and 2/A can see enemy). I would have thought a better approach would be to start with 2 conditions:-

1. 1/A has reached its way point AND 1/A can't see enemy in region 2
2. 2/A has reached its way point AND 2/A can't see enemy in region 2

For your initial 5/A and 3/A routes then you can do:-

this unit is (X) and (condition 1 and condition 2)

While this effectively does the same it means for the next alternative route you can use:-

this unit is (X) and (condition 1 OR condition 2)

Its just a more elegant solution and allows you to test whether the Units 1/A and 2/A have reached their over watch positions and are therefore able to see if there are enemy in the region.
__________________
Concilio Casus

Life:- The most common, Fatal, Sexually transmitted disease.

Last edited by DarkAngel; 03-13-2012 at 03:03 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 04-08-2012, 06:22 PM
ht-57's Avatar
ht-57 ht-57 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NY, usa
Posts: 61
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

One word.... brilliant!
One prob tho. where's episode #12!?
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 05-13-2013, 05:43 PM
Kite Kite is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

Still waiting...
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 05-13-2013, 09:08 PM
Gibsonm's Avatar
Gibsonm Gibsonm is online now
Senior Member
Campaign CO Blue Campaign CO Red 
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 8,985
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

Maybe he lost interest / time.

He wasn't required to do it in the first place.
__________________


Mark (}-:
LTCOL RAAC
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 05-14-2013, 04:57 AM
Toyguy's Avatar
Toyguy Toyguy is offline
Senior Member
Campaign CO Red Scenario Design Contest Winner 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Vermont - USA
Posts: 456
Re: Mission Editor Tutorial

I was going to pick this up again but I've decided to hold off until V3 releases, as I am sure there will be cool new features to discuss and some old ones to update. So hang in there - it's not dead yet.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:20 PM.