scowlmovement Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Gents,I have a PDF of a OPLAN for Cold War era V Corps/CENTAG, a potential intelligence coup. The problem is, I have only high-school level German, and the ENTIRE document is in German. Anyone out there care to take the time and effort to translate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I guarantee you that if you post it here, it will be translated quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Excellent! Now, how to post this darn thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 When you write the post, look below the window that you are typing in and you'll see a button labelled "Manage Attachments" Hopefully QED. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well, here goes nothing. Operations Plan 33001.rar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybird03 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 238 pages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Yes sir, it's a doozy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemolitionMan Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Looked over it. Pretty good stuff the Stasi had at hand there. Full set of defense schemes for the V corps down to dislocation of units, unit boundaries, reserve forces and so on- all for a "Attack imminent within 48h"-scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Glad it's an enjoyable read! I'll be really glad when this can be shared with everyone. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide translating this monster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Looks like they got phone numbers to all sorts of units and also the width and weight limits of main routes,very thorough! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 238 pages.'Quickly' just became a relative term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I've gone to some other boards asking for translation help and linking back here.http://www.warandtactics.com/smf/cold-war/stasi-paper-on-nato-ground-defense-plan/http://www.wargamer.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=363867&mpage=18#377567http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1327110#post1327110 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Many thanks, Gary! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Although it might be off-topic, that's a great website you have there Gary. Lots of good information, I recommend checking it out if you haven't already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks. I need to put some new content up there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foeh@mmer Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Fascinating document. Little confused though. Which Staatssicherheitsministerium are we talking about - West German or East German? If its East German, then they had exquisite intelligence of our operational plans. This must be West German. Anyway, lots of information about my old division, 8th Infantry, which has since been deactivated. Even mentions my old unit 5th battalion 68th armored. Often wondered what the exact plans were for us should the balloon have gone up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemolitionMan Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 UHM...you know East Germany was kinda commie and paranoid, so they were the one with the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit...aka Stasi..aka Gestapo reloaded. And yes, the East block got tons of information like that thanks to their spies, which even sat in NATO HQ in Brussels IIRC. The bit about Task-Force 5-68 is interesting. Corps reserve...quite a job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybird03 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Fascinating document. Little confused though. Which Staatssicherheitsministerium are we talking about - West German or East German? If its East German, then they had exquisite intelligence of our operational plans. This must be West German. Anyway, lots of information about my old division, 8th Infantry, which has since been deactivated. Even mentions my old unit 5th battalion 68th armored. Often wondered what the exact plans were for us should the balloon have gone up.West Germany had no "Staatssicherheitsministerium", or short: StaSi, which meant the executive arm of it (intel, secret police and uniformed forces). The institution and term is heritage exclusively of the GDR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 These little tid-bits you guys are throwing out there are fascinating! Keep up the good work, and kindly fill the rest of us in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foeh@mmer Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 You're right, Stasi. Duh. Should have figured that out. :debile2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 A fascinating document, found in one of the links that GO posted:http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Digital-Library/Publications/Detail/?id=46280&lng=en= transcript of an oral history conference from 2006 on military planning in Central Europe during the Cold War. The transcript focuses on the late 1970s and early 1980s, when Détente came to an end and the Cold War reached a renewed peak with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, etc ...The conference was unique because it was the first time that high-ranking officers from countries of the former Warsaw Pact and of NATO held organized discussions of their military planning, the role of nuclear weapons in that planning, and their perception of each other’s intentions and capabilities. It's the actual generals that were facing each other across the border,that are discussing together !-> "Today, I can say as an historian, is a historic day. Never before have the former adversaries of the Cold War sat around a table to discuss one another’s war plans"-> e.g. :* Leopold ChalupaWell, thank you. In 1979, I was chief of staff Central Army Group, etc ...* MojmÃr ZachariášIn 1978, when I was 39 years old, I was a division commander. In 1982, I commanded the 4th Army, and starting from 1986, I was the commander of the okrug troops on the Czechoslovak front. General Chalupa was my adversary.THX GO for the linksRgds, K 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 Here's an update: I've decided to just go ahead and try translating this doc myself. Wish me luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Luck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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