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4 hours ago, thewood said:

Well, I like your scenarios and appreciate all the work you put into them.  But your post is the "poster child" for the tone of discussion from long time players to anyone not aware of the posting etiquette that seems to be required.  The guy who was banned deserves the apology.  There were twenty different ways his request could have been answered.  One of them being ignored.

 

And the irony comment is spot on.  If I was brand new (and kind of am), I would read this thread and immediately think this is a pretty unwelcoming forum.  If I was brand new, the first thing I would wonder is if I am one of those people you guys hate.  If that is the first question you want new posters to ask...well have at it then.  

 

Most threads here are pretty good and at worst are neutral.  But every now and then, a thread like this pops up and makes me shake my head.  Again, eSims doesn't seem to mind, so I just deal with it.

 

Well. First off, what WE (me and you) write here is not a front for Esimgames. Esimgames provides the forum and administers it so it does not go totally sideways. But not allowing any negative posts would be pretty ridiculous and extremely time heavy for them. And I would not post here as I would feel like a tool for commercial advertisement and nothing else. If you read through the threads you can find long threads where Ssnake and some aggressive poster is ducking it out with each other and the poster can be very aggressive with "fix/add this or this fucking game is broken/unplayable/ridiculous" and Ssnake still stay calm and counter with productive replies instead of just banning persons. That's how high the roof is in this forum and I love it for it.

 

We all have good and bad days, we all care for something particular that we refuse to give up on etc, so posts will go "hot", that is just the way it is. Not all people match, some hate eachothers gut from the day they read eachother first posts, some people build up a friendship that last longer then their SB playing and so on and that is life, and anyone old enough to be able to read this forum probleby already understand how friendship and the world works, so I do not see a problem here.

 

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Most threads here are pretty good and at worst are neutral.  But every now and then, a thread like this pops up and makes me shake my head.  Again, eSims doesn't seem to mind, so I just deal with it.

 

Well if you read through the threads you realise have many good threads and very few bad ones we have. We are humans and not Esimgames customer-service boots, of course opinions will be voiced, as we have the right to do (within SB forum rules of course). 

 

 

 

Those are just two i found fast that shows how friendly community we are and how we like to help new-comers, just because we players (not Esimgames employees!) don't reply just like that EVERY time doesn't mean we aren't good guys right? 

 

/KT

 

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9 hours ago, Gibsonm said:

 

Well if you can't communicate because no one understands you, the content is pretty pointless.

 

I'm not referring to "color" vs "colour" or other regional differences, but if you are using acronyms / abreviations that aren't universally understood you are no longer communicating effectively, IMHO.

 

 

I see what you mean, but I have yet to see acronyms on this forum that are THAT bad. Also, there is merit in the age old and tested concept of going: "Not sure I catch your drift. Any chance you could explain this without the acronyms and short-forms?"

 

In other words, positive thinking and cooperative communication is more likely to bring us forward in a meaningful way :-)

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42 minutes ago, Kingtiger said:

 

Well. First off, what WE (me and you) write here is not a front for Esimgames. Esimgames provides the forum and administers it so it does not go totally sideways. But not allowing any negative posts would be pretty ridiculous and extremely time heavy for them. And I would not post here as I would feel like a tool for commercial advertisement and nothing else. If you read through the threads you can find long threads where Ssnake and some aggressive poster is ducking it out with each other and the poster can be very aggressive with "fix/add this or this fucking game is broken/unplayable/ridiculous" and Ssnake still stay calm and counter with productive replies instead of just banning persons. That's how high the roof is in this forum and I love it for it.

 

We all have good and bad days, we all care for something particular that we refuse to give up on etc, so posts will go "hot", that is just the way it is. Not all people match, some hate eachothers gut from the day they read eachother first posts, some people build up a friendship that last longer then their SB playing and so on and that is life, and anyone old enough to be able to read this forum probleby already understand how friendship and the world works, so I do not see a problem here.

 

 

Well if you read through the threads you realise have many good threads and very few bad ones we have. We are humans and not Esimgames customer-service boots, of course opinions will be voiced, as we have the right to do (within SB forum rules of course). 

 

 

 

Those are just two i found fast that shows how friendly community we are and how we like to help new-comers, just because we players (not Esimgames employees!) don't reply just like that EVERY time doesn't mean we aren't good guys right? 

 

/KT

 

 

Hear hear!

 

Though I would add that while the ceiling is pretty high up (and so it should be! <3 Ssnake), it behoves a proper individual to at least *attempt* to stay reasonable - even during disputes.

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4 minutes ago, Marko said:

Very welcome Marko ! ^_^ Really like that video, show inside details -great to compare with the one in game and find all the stuff right there-  and the live sounds are very nice. Glad u like it. I remember the times when I have to wait to TV documentaries (very few about weapons and more few about tanks) and have ready the crappy VHS ready for record stuff... :S Now is like paradise, so much material that is impossible to process all :P 

 

Can't resist :)

 

Indeed the last few years have been a great time for armour enthusiasts.

I remember spending a lot of cash for specialist books on armour when I first developed an interest in armour

The discovery channel was  great back in the day. Armoured fist/ battlefield/ etc

 

....Wait what? o_O

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22 hours ago, Panzer_Leader said:

 

It wasn't my wish to bring the community or this forum into disrepute so I retract the post and have deleted the original. Apologies. 

 

You did no such thing. I remember back in 2005 or 2006 when SB went retail for real. 

 

The doom crowd who just couldn't get past "Last man standing" death match mode started joining up in MP in droves (hyperbole, exageration - you get the idea) and totally ruined the community - for a while anyway. 

 

It was one of my hot buttons.

 

From what I've observed from reading the forum since coming back - though I haven't played in a single MP game - the community has recovered.

 

Call me elitist if y'all will - probably true - but encouraging the WOT crowd to join in on MP is a bad, bad idea.

 

Not to say that all of them are script kiddy, shoot 'em up, FPS last man standing guys (one of my best friends who loves WOT and plays it regularly - if I could get him to try SB - would be a great addition to the community) are not what the community needs but most probably aren't. 

 

If you want to mess up the SB MP community then by all means encourage the WOT crowd to join right in!

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On 8/26/2016 at 4:00 PM, Panzer_Leader said:

 

I just want to let you know I'm putting you on my Ignored Users list after this incredibly lazy and inane post. I don't remember you adding much / any value to the forum last time you were here and you're certainly not now. If you want the scenarios find them and download them yourself, seriously.

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

No hard feelings from me. Few people have the courage to apologize these days so when anyone does, I feel compelled to forgive. We all have our bad day. It's all forgiven.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Werewolf said:

 

You did no such thing. I remember back in 2005 or 2006 when SB went retail for real. 

 

The doom crowd who just couldn't get past "Last man standing" death match mode started joining up in MP in droves (hyperbole, exageration - you get the idea) and totally ruined the community - for a while anyway. 

 

It was one of my hot buttons.

 

From what I've observed from reading the forum since coming back - though I haven't played in a single MP game - the community has recovered.

 

Call me elitist if y'all will - probably true - but encouraging the WOT crowd to join in on MP is a bad, bad idea.

 

Not to say that all of them are script kiddy, shoot 'em up, FPS last man standing guys (one of my best friends who loves WOT and plays it regularly - if I could get him to try SB - would be a great addition to the community) are not what the community needs but most probably aren't. 

 

If you want to mess up the SB MP community then by all means encourage the WOT crowd to join right in!

 

 

I actually think that I do want to "mess up the SB MP community" - but in the sense that we are already doing, by the efforts that Kanium is doing in cooperation with other VU's. Meaning we invite everyone to come and have fun and not worrying the slightest about who people are - You like armored warfare? Find it interesting? Come join us! We'll even lend you a license to try things out.

 

So far things are going really well and I hope we will attract new people. If that means finding them in WoT or Warthunder, so be it :-)

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Those who have posted videos of their game on YouTube  have done a great deal in that regard. That is how it got me here. 
The thing is to connect those who want and know the difference between gaming and sim and link them to video. The rest will fall into place .... What comes to mind is that each video could add a link to esim .... other than that , that is all you can do.
Push SB too much and you may get undesired results. imo

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11 minutes ago, Zaphod said:

Those who have posted videos of their game on YouTube  have done a great deal in that regard. That is how it got me here. 
The thing is to connect those who want and know the difference between gaming and sim and link them to video. The rest will fall into place .... What comes to mind is that each video could add a link to esim .... other than that , that is all you can do.
Push SB too much and you may get undesired results. imo

 

Well unless you go directly for the prepubescent aggressive WoT players and feed them lies about what SB is ("ermahgerd try SB, it's a much better tank moba than WoT!" - said no one ever :P ), I'm not sure how you'd "push SB too much". But fair enough, I will keep a mental note not to seek out "360 noscope tankers" ;) 

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1 minute ago, DrHat said:

 

Well unless you go directly for the prepubescent aggressive WoT players and feed them lies about what SB is ("ermahgerd try SB, it's a much better tank moba than WoT!" - said no one ever :P ), I'm not sure how you'd "push SB too much". But fair enough, I will keep a mental note not to seek out "360 noscope tankers" ;) 

lol   you know what I mean........... besides isn't there an age limit here? O.o 
Mind you hage has very little to do with maturity ..... referring to last nights TS convo lol :D

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1 minute ago, Zaphod said:

lol   you know what I mean........... besides isn't there an age limit here? O.o 
Mind you hage has very little to do with maturity ..... referring to last nights TS convo lol :D

 

Yeah I do :P

 

But as for an age limit, I don't know about this site, but there is for Kanium. That's purely for legal reasons though, given the material on our website and the language being employed by our members..and of course because most times we tried to get younger people in Kanium, it was usually a disaster X_X

 

And oh yeah, me being in my 30s has done absolutely nothing to advance me past the mental age of 12 :D 

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2 minutes ago, DrHat said:

 

Yeah I do :P

 

But as for an age limit, I don't know about this site, but there is for Kanium. That's purely for legal reasons though, given the material on our website and the language being employed by our members..and of course because most times we tried to get younger people in Kanium, it was usually a disaster X_X

 

And oh yeah, me being in my 30s has done absolutely nothing to advance me past the mental age of 12 :D 

That has a whole different meaning in a European server ............. oh language being singular .... sorry :D

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Turning SB into WoT or wasting dev time on creating a lobby is probably a horrifically bad idea. It does not lend itself to the kind of play that WoT and other games of that ilk provide. With SB it's not hard to find a game, and those who host them regularly have a habit of publicizing it on the forums.

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Steel Beasts Pro Pe is a simulator and not really a "game". And for this very reason we cannot expect it to attract masses of casual players on a regular basis.

As prefessional pilot I regularly do use profesional simulators for training and this is surely not gamming despite how cool they may look like.

 

However,  here in the the Steel Beasts Pro Pe comunity, we use the software "to play" since a number of us are not active duty armor profesionals. There is a Pro version for them.

 

My point here is that the SB software is not really designed to be a game. It requires knowlegde and study. It is designed based on a professional tool.

Lets be honnest, actual "just gamming players" want a plug and shoot game where the operator manual is no longer than one page including credits and where they can start shooting 5 minuts after install is completed. Anything else is actually considered "hardore".  :P

Nothing to critizise on this. They want a game they get a game.

 

If we take a look at our comunity, people here know that the sim requires study and practice. The average comunity member have been here for years and he is still learning. At least I do learn new things every day myself.

 

I do honnestly believe and I have seen how this comunity welcomes and helps new people. Actual VU do that as well.

We in the 3 Reg Tizona have helped many new guys to get to know the sim with hours of coaching, training in MP session and even with additional licenses.

However I do not think it is fair to call ourselves "elitist" just because we expect the new players to have motivation and interest in learning the sim.

When somebody asked us for help and learning the sim, we dedicate him as much time as we can as long as this person shows willingness to learn and participate. However if we do see he expects us to do the "job" for him and he is not willingly interested on learning the sim with attitudes such "hey I am too lazy to read the manuals, just tell me what is the key to shoot" ect ect ect...well sorry but I have better things to do in my limited free time other than nursing people that at the end of the day will discover that Steel Beasts is not a "cool shoot and boom game" and quit.

We are the way we are and for me Steel Beast Comunity is one of the best online comunities I know. Respectful, knowledgable and persistent. I have good friends here. I have good teachers here and I really think we are a very nice online comunity open to anyone interested in Steel Beasts Pro PE

New people are ALWAYS welcomed provided they really want to respectfully integrate in the comunity and learn the sim. 

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We are playing...so its a game ?

Ok ok. enough of this hairsplitting (or Kümmelspalten as we'd say)

 

But Furia has a point. We can offer coaching and stuff. And that really needed. That way "casual players" can have fun here too at the vehicle commander level.  But it at least this requires some patience on their side...you can lead the horse to water ,but....

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While I sorta get your point, I just want to say this:

 

I am relatively new to this community, I have never been in the military, I don't study tank warfare, I didn't read the manual (because I'm too lazy), I'm a life-long gamer enthusiast (the most stereo-typical kind you can imagine), I spent 8 years of my life working in the game industry (working on games like EVE Online, Tribal Wars, Forge of Empires, Kartuga (never released) and also working for Havok, the guys that do physics for most games like Skyrim, Battlefield and many others) and I actually do like being the gunner in a tank (MajorDuck can confirm this)..primarily because these days I have less time to dedicate to SB than I'd want to. Because my real wish, is actually to be a platoon commander.

 

However, as a gunner in SB - I really *do* have macros set up in order to give me a much easier time at shooting, because I like blowing things up and I like when things are full of action ..and when I'm not accidentally blowing up friendly Spaniards (sorry!), I am actually a really good gunner (or so people tell me).

 

I'm not here because I have no interest in SB as a sim, I do, but I also have interest in it as a game (sorry Grenny, you're right - this will be a bit of hairsplitting. I can only apologise). And it is a game...anything that involves practising for "the real thing", is a game. Software-based or otherwise. I promise that is the extent of my hairsplitting (sorry!) - I wouldn't be here if I wasn't interested in SB as a game (and friends playing it), which then gives me an interest in the community - I'm a gamer, duh :P

 

Now, as I told Zaphod, I know what you mean. I just don't want presumptions about gamers to stretch any further than it has to. Because we have such an opportunity growing in this community and I think it's worth exploring it to the fullest, even if that means making a few minor mistakes along the way :) 

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IMO,

I don't really care if 100.000 plus world of tank/War thunder players decided to purchase SB

Why, revenue gentleman the life blood of any private enterprise.

Would I want to game with them, No

Would I want Esim to all of a sudden start selling magic rounds that could kill a tank in an unrealistic way or the more you spend the better chance you have At winning if you buy a gold packages etc.  Hell no.

Would some of the younger players  bring are forum in to disrepute. only if we let them

My point is, Esim if so desired would have the revenue to expand SB make every AFV playable etc. with the addition revenue

You can choose who you game with its a simple process to set up a private scenario for guys who want to keep it real

As things stand anybody can sign up to the forum even if they don't own SB.

I to like they way things are, A small helpful community but.

 I forget what Roman Emperor  made the quote but I believe its relevant. we expand or die.   

 

 

 

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