Panzer_Leader Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Hi Team A question for the Canadian and Danish Cold War experts: When did the M113(A1) TOW variants in your respective countries receive thermal imagers? It's hard to tell from my research. I'm guessing mid-80s through to early 90s latest but it would be good to have more specific timeframes if possible for existing and pipeline scenario work. Thanks in advance! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I will have to check deeper, but 1980's seems to ring my bell. Found this on our DND site: "In early 1977 the brigade (ie. 4 CMBG) received ... the TOW anti-tank weapon. In early June 3 Mech Commando and 1 R22eR completed operational TOW training." From this you can easily say that the Brigade Group in Germany was operational with the TOW system by 1 Jul 1977. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 Thanks @12Alfa. Let me know if you find out when the thermal imagers were added and in service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK-DDAM Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 i dont know when the a1 had it but once we recieved the G3 model they all had the thermal system.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeKiloPapa Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Well the Danish designation for T0W is M/87 suggesting a DOI of ca 1987 I seem to remember that our M113 TOW got their thermal capability before our Leopard 1s did with the A5 upgrade in 92-93. So around 1990 would be my guess... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 Thanks @MikeKiloPapa and @DK-DDAM, that gives me helpful dates for the Danish M113 TOW and means I don't have to make changes to my 'Armoured Infantry Company Attack at Rydsgard 1991' scenario, which has thermal imagers on the TOWs. I'll be interested to see if 12Alfa or anyone else can shine more light on when the Canadian vehicles got theirs. I know their Leopard C1s started receiving retrofitted IRS 100 thermal imagers from 1986 so suspect it may be around that time frame for the TOWs too, but that's just an educated guess on my part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Form what I have read they (TOW Systems) came with the TI sighting system.Read a few articles on the Inf school classes and it only states the same system was taught. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 25 minutes ago, 12Alfa said: Form what I have read they (TOW Systems) came with the TI sighting system.Read a few articles on the Inf school classes and it only states the same system was taught. Thanks. The scenario in the pipeline features a Royal Canadian Dragoons combat team in 1985 with a potential M113A1 TOW section from the accompanying infantry unit, so I'll leave the thermal imager enabled in that case. Cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) TOW was introduced in a simple version in Denmark in 1974 and TOW 2 with Thermal sight in 1984. I believe TOW 2A/B is the M/87? Edited June 22, 2017 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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