Hedgehog Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mirzayev said: I generally position the supply trucks one terrain feature away from the FLOT in a concealed position. I try to keep this under 1km to keep the driving time down. Reason I ask is the M1 takes foooooooooorever to reload from semi ready rack, supply truck is quicker. Edited July 6, 2017 by Hedgehog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 43 minutes ago, Hedgehog said: Reason I ask is the M1 takes foooooooooorever to reload from semi ready rack, supply truck is quicker. and completely unrealistic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSe419E Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Remember, it's a training simulator and they are most likely doing it by the book and not using any battlefield expedient measures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsmandk Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Higher CO have been forced to return the GE unit to its parent BTN due to heavy losses. Task org changed. Plz check and if youy want another seat leat me know So still room for : FO COY CO (I can FO or COY CO so let me know if you want either spot) 1x XO TNK 1x MECH PLT 1x TNK PLT Edited July 6, 2017 by Swordsmandk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, TSe419E said: Remember, it's a training simulator and they are most likely doing it by the book and not using any battlefield expedient measures. I meant that it is completely unrealistic to move ammunition trucks up to the battle line. or at least that it is a tactic I have never heard of before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSe419E Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 The only reference I have is FM 17-95. It indicates that troop (company) level supply and maintenance trucks would usually be one or two terrain features to the rear of the troop. So maybe it's not so unrealistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirzayev Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Nike-Ajax said: I meant that it is completely unrealistic to move ammunition trucks up to the battle line. or at least that it is a tactic I have never heard of before. This really depends on the situation, and I have seen it done before. Generally, the safer method is to pull your vehicles off of their BPs, and have them drive back to the LRP. We refer to this in the US as "service station." The second method is to push logistics directly to the vehicles at their BPs. This is riskier, due to increased threat to the logistics vehicles, and the increased risk of revealing your position to the enemy. We call this "tailgating." Now, even with tailgating, the supply trucks will not drive right up to a BP and park directly next to the AFV. The AFV will still have to pull out of the BP and drive to the logistics vehicles, however this distance is significantly shorter than moving all the way back to an LRP. That being said, tailgating usually ends up taking more time than doing the service station method, as your logistics vehicles have to move into an unfamiliar area they have never seen before, and set up to distribute fuel, ammo, etc. Also, it is worth mentioning that tailgating is only employed when a unit is not in current contact with the enemy. Driving a fuel truck to the FLOT during a direct fire engagement is suicidal, and logistics vehicles are the equivalent of magnets for attracting indirect fire. Overall, using the service station method is faster, and safer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, TSe419E said: The only reference I have is FM 17-95. It indicates that troop (company) level supply and maintenance trucks would usually be one or two terrain features to the rear of the troop. So maybe it's not so unrealistic. Except that wasnt what was described at all. There is a pretty significant and obvious difference between having the supply trucks one to two terrain features behind the BP´s - which I agree with. And to do what was described above, which was basically to drive the unarmored and unarmed supplytrucks right up to the tanks in the BP ´s to reload because its faster than movinf rounds from the Tank stores to the ready rack. Never ever done in combat that I have heard of. Edited July 6, 2017 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSe419E Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Mirzayev said: I generally position the supply trucks one terrain feature away from the FLOT in a concealed position. I try to keep this under 1km to keep the driving time down. 2 hours ago, TSe419E said: The only reference I have is FM 17-95. It indicates that troop (company) level supply and maintenance trucks would usually be one or two terrain features to the rear of the troop. So maybe it's not so unrealistic. 2 minutes ago, Nike-Ajax said: Except that wasnt what was described at all. There is a pretty significant and obvious difference between having the supply trucks one to two terrain features behind the BP´s - which I agree with. It wasn't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hedgehog said: Also please may we plan to have the Supply trucks in reasonable reach and not at the back of the column? 6 hours ago, Hedgehog said: "Reason I ask is the M1 takes foooooooooorever to reload from semi ready rack, supply truck is quicker.?" THESE are the ones I was addressing before - not you, methinks we are talking past each other ? Edited July 6, 2017 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsmandk Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 I belive you are... Then an even better methods is to use 50 call or Bradley for less than armoured targets. ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlad Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Looks like I'm good for this weekend, preference for Mech, but anywhere I can fill in gaps is OK. DBoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 16 hours ago, Mirzayev said: This really depends on the situation, and I have seen it done before. Generally, the safer method is to pull your vehicles off of their BPs, and have them drive back to the LRP. We refer to this in the US as "service station." The second method is to push logistics directly to the vehicles at their BPs. This is riskier, due to increased threat to the logistics vehicles, and the increased risk of revealing your position to the enemy. We call this "tailgating." Now, even with tailgating, the supply trucks will not drive right up to a BP and park directly next to the AFV. The AFV will still have to pull out of the BP and drive to the logistics vehicles, however this distance is significantly shorter than moving all the way back to an LRP. That being said, tailgating usually ends up taking more time than doing the service station method, as your logistics vehicles have to move into an unfamiliar area they have never seen before, and set up to distribute fuel, ammo, etc. Also, it is worth mentioning that tailgating is only employed when a unit is not in current contact with the enemy. Driving a fuel truck to the FLOT during a direct fire engagement is suicidal, and logistics vehicles are the equivalent of magnets for attracting indirect fire. Overall, using the service station method is faster, and safer. Service Station method, please. Also, why is everyone jumping all over my request?! Believe I said: 23 hours ago, Hedgehog said: Also please may we plan to have the Supply trucks in reasonable reach and not at the back of the column? Please note: "reasonable reach" Did I say "Please park the trucks next to my Tank" ? No. The reason I ask about the trucks is the 105mm has a friggin' automatic cannon ROF compared to the 120mm And the rate I use ammo (Hey, I'm not paying for it. ) its quicker for me to nip back a click or two. The supply trucks reload straight into the ready rack, on par with the Leopard's reload rate from semi ready So with the M1IP and an approximate / terrain dependent 2000m seperation to a "service station" the M1IP is fast enough to nip back and do a quick bomb up. Rather than sit there faffing around opening and closing ready / semi ready doors and this "One round in the turret" bollocks Think I could reasonably call this a 20 hours ago, TSe419E said: battlefield expedient measure (And I think this is standard US doctrine of the time, I could be wrong though) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirzayev Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Since the M1IP is not a commonly used tank, I thought it helpful to provide a scenario that will allow anyone interested to practice gunnery techniques from a stationary position, while maneuvering, or a combination of both. A special thanks goes out to @Gunslinger668, who allowed the modification and use of his Battle Run scenario. While destroying enemy AFVs with impunity, be sure to observe the faster reload time of the M1IP versus the M1A1. Factor this into your planning for direct fire engagements; you may run out of ammo in less time than you expect. Battle Run (M1IP Modified).sce Edited July 8, 2017 by Mirzayev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Mirzayev said: Since the M1IP is not a commonly used tank, I thought it helpful to provide a scenario that will allow anyone interested to practice gunnery techniques from a stationary position, while maneuvering, or a combination of both. A special thanks goes out to @Gunslinger668, who allowed the modification and use of his Battle Run scenario. While destroying enemy AFVs with impunity, be sure to observe the faster reload time of the M1IP versus the M1A1. Factor this into your planning for direct fire engagements; you may run out of ammo in less time than you expect. Battle Run (M1IP Modified).sce Many thanks to the both of you. I had never heard of the M1IP before, so this hits the spot very nicely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirzayev Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 On 7/7/2017 at 5:13 AM, dlad said: Looks like I'm good for this weekend, preference for Mech, but anywhere I can fill in gaps is OK. DBoy You can head up B4 if you wish; another option is the XO spot for B CO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Now I am confused: Am I in a Bradley now ... ? And why the switch? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nike-Ajax Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) An open invitation to all to an ad-hoc session on tuesday at 20:00 CEST about and with Mechanized Infantry: http://www.steelbeasts.com/forum/9-multiplayer-engagements/ Edited July 9, 2017 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 On 7/6/2017 at 11:47 AM, Swordsmandk said: So still room for : FO I'm double-hatting XO/FO for now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) XOXO ... ? Cant you just volunteer poor Zaphod again ... Edited July 9, 2017 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, Nike-Ajax said: XOXO ... ? Cant you just volunteer poor Zaphod again ... Zaphod is still wandering around the assembly area looking for his rucksack from 3 scenarios ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Im in for today, place me where ever the need. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 traffic looks bad.. autobahn is full. Need at least 1,5 hours home. Sry... i'm out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Thanks for the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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