Gibsonm Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) Caveat: Only offered in the absence of something from Kanium. If Kanikum posts something for this timeslot, I'll cancel this one. This is not an attempt to occupy their usual session timing. Date: Sunday 30 SEP 18 at 1800 GMT Note for some this will be Sunday: Local Equivalent Date / Time Back Story Soviet Union was unable to sustain Cold War budgets Continued attrition would see West win. Needed to end – one way or another. TimeLine 1985 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev becomes General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. He is able to delay breakup of Soviet Union / Warsaw Pact an additional year. Late 1990 (real world 1989 and 1991) popular uprisings in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Bulgaria depose Communist governments. East Germany remains loyal and continues to host Group of Soviet Forces Germany and other formations. Late 1990 NATO forces thinned (US VII Corps and UK 1st Armoured Div) and redeploy to counter Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Early 1991 Gorbachev ousted by his Vice President Gennady Yanayev. 17 January 1991 Operation Desert Storm commences. 25 January 1991 Soviet Forces from Belarus and Ukraine “liberate” peoples of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Bulgaria from “rogue” governments. February 1991 Soviet Forces in East Germany cross inner German border, forces in Eastern Europe in suitable locations to be second strategic echelon. Who you are up against ... Oh and keep your respirator handy. Edited September 26, 2018 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 Rough outline: The Inner German border has been penetrated. NATO is fighting savage delay battles from North to South to buy time for reinforcements to come from across the Channel and the North Atlantic. Each mission will see Soviet first echelon Regimental forces (T-90, T-80 and BMP-2) at less than 100% strength attempting to overwhelm German, British and US forces. Relax, your CT(+) / BG (-) wont face the entire Regt, likely just a Tk Bn, MR Coy, Engr, Arty, Air, .... You are imposing delay at CT / Coy strength against the Soviet formation to your front. You have a narrow frontage (but not as narrow as you'd like). Your manned CT will withdraw through the next manned CT and set up a third delay line. As NATO forces are attrited, players will round out the remaining Blue forces and hold the stop line at the Western most end of your TAOR. Roughly (TBC) the forces will be: Soviet (for each mission): Recce (a CRP of BMP-2/T-90S < 100%) Tk Bn (3 x Tk Coy T-90S or T-80) 1 x MR Coy (BMP-2) Bridging / Engineers Off board Arty and Air (liberally allocated) German: Recce (< 100%) Tk Bn (2 x Tk Coy (-) Leo 2A4) The terrain will vary from mission to mission and provide more things to consider. The fourth Mission will be a counter attack, once the Soviets have culminated / over extended (the country which will conduct this remains unclear at present). Fun bits: 1. Soviet Forces intend to use persistent and non-persistent chemical and nerve agents as part of the assault. Prepare to be at MOPP-2 (or TOPP-2) throughout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 The intent will be to man the lead German formation with "most" people and some (those more happy with controlling more than one unit) looking after the depth units. As the lead is attrited those people will displace and man the next unit, etc. Focus will be on delaying the enemy by flanking positions / fire, not glacis plate to glacis plate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 OPERATIONS ORDER - PzBrig 20 Firstly my thanks to Harvey Black for writing some excellent novels (The Red, Black and Blue effect) which inspired much of this. Situation: Date: 14 FEB 91 Time: 0630 GMT/Zulu (0730 Local) Location: West of HANNOVER, North of MITTELLANDKANAL General: Rolling Thunder 16 back story Enemy: Overnight elements of the 12 Guards Tank Division, 3rd Shock Army forced a crossing of the Leine river at great cost. It is expected that having achieved this breakthrough, the Forward Detachment (tactical version of a Operational Manoeuvre Group) of 12 Guards Tank Division, based around 48th Guards Tank Regiment will attempt to exploit west towards the River Weser. It is assessed that the 48th Guards Tank Regiment consists of: 3 x Tank Battalions, equipped with T-90 1 x Motor Rifle Battalion, equipped with BMP-3 The Soviets are supported by prodigious amounts of tube and rocket artillery and appear to have access to large amounts of Frontal Aviation (fixed and rotary wing, attack and transport). The Soviets have also used Chemical and Biological agents during their assault and we have no reason to doubt they will continue to deploy them. There has been no reported Nuclear release to date. Friendly: Brigade Covering Force: 7th Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion (7th Panzeraufklärungsabteilung) is arrayed East of the Battle Handover Line (BHL). They are tasked with maintaining contact but once the main assualt begins they will fall back through your positions and head West. Verteidigungskreiskommando (VKK) troops are sending reports back from isolated pockets in HANNOVER itself. 202 PzGdr Battalion is to your left. 204 Pz Battalion is to your right. South of the MITTELLANDKANAL and across the I WG / 1 BR Corps boundary, the 2 Royal Tank Regiment (RTR) Battlegroup is conducting an area defence centered on BAD NENNDORF. There is a series of Reserve Demolitions sited along the MITTELLANDKANAL with Demolitions Guards from 1 BR Corps. These Reserve Demolitions will be blown as Soviet recon forces approach in order to (IOT) deny the crossing. You command 201 PzBtl. This consists of: 1 x Marder Kompanie - 3 platoons, each of 3 Marder IFV. Each Marder carries either a Rifle Team (with 3 x PzF-3) and a MG3 Team or a Rifle Team and a MILAN Team. The "2" vehicle (A2, B2 and C2) carries the Rifle/MILAN team grouping. 2 x Leo 2A4 Kompanies - Each having 3 Platoons of 4 tanks. Each Kompanie has a Commander, FISTV and Echelon (1 x ARV, 1 x AMB, 2 x Tr) This can be displayed graphically below: Attachments/Detachments: You have six batteries of 155mm guns in support and access to CAS. You have also been assigned two platoons from the 200th JagdPanzer Company. Each platoon has 3 Jaguar 1A3 ATGM vehicles. A Gepard Battery from 7th Air Defence Regiment is in location (not at your disposal) to defend the crossings over the Weser. Civilians: Large numbers of German citizens are fleeing Westward. These internally displaced persons (IDPs) are choking roads and making movement Eastward on the main routes very difficult. The crossings at PETERSHAGEN have been especially hit. The obstacles created by this press of people have been increased by vehicle accidents, abandoned vehicles and wreckage caused by air and artillery strikes. It is expected that this movement will thin out in the next couple of hours as people seek shelter in cellars, etc. rather than move in the open as Soviet combat forces approach. Mission: PzBrig 20 will deny penetration within boundary IOT, prevent the crossing of the WESER and maintain contact with 1 BR Corps. Execution: General Outline - The Brigade will deploy all four Battalions fwd. 201st PzBtl - Centre 202nd PzGdrBtl - Left 203rd PzBtl - Far Right 204th PzBtl - Right Grouping and Tasks 201st Panzer Battalion Grouping Attached - 2 x Pl, 200 JagdPz Kompanie In Location - Elm 7th Air Defence Regiment, 7th Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion. Tasks - Conduct Battle Handover with 7th Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion - Facilitate rearward passage of lines by 7th Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion - Impose delay within boundary - Deny penetration of STOP LINE WICKETKEEPER - Maintain contact and alignment with 202nd PzGdr Battalion and 204 Pz Battalion. 202nd PzGdrBtl - Detail Omitted 203rd PzBtl - Detail Omitted 204th PzBtl - Detail Omitted Co-ord Boundaries - as marked Brigade Report lines - as marked Brigade Named Areas of Interest (NAIs) - as marked Admin and Log: Each Kompanie has an echelon. Re arming will be priority Recovery assets limited, need to ensure they are not risked/wasted unduly. Command and Signals: You are the Battalion CO. Recommend one person be the Artillery person and be given ownership of all FISTV vehicles. Deployment area mirrors AO. TRP are deployable. Manning List to follow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 Manning List Note: Happy for people to say they'd like a Marder or a Tank but don't be too wedded to a specific vehicle / Platoon. If you say you want to man a Marder and I need to put you in given unit, I'll put you there but keep you in a Marder. If you want to buddy up with someone (say Commander and Gunner), I'll try and maintain that but if its a case of one vehicle with two people and the others with none, then standby to control a vehicle (or maybe even a Platoon). KpChef/201 - VB/201 - KpChef/2./201 - I/2./201 - A/2./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) A1/2./201 A2/2./201 II/2./201 - B/2./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) B1/2./201 B2/2./201 III/2./201 - C/2./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) C1/2./201 C2/2./201 KpFu/2./201 - KpChef/3./201 - I/3./201 - A/3./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) A1/3./201 A2/3./201 A4/3./201 II/3./201 - B/3./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) B1/3./201 B2/3./201 B4/3./201 III/3./201 - C/3./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) C1/3./201 C2/3./201 C4/3./201 KpFu/3./201 - KpChef/4./201 - I/4./201 - A/4./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) A1/4./201 A2/4./201 A4/4./201 II/4./201 - B/4./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) B1/4./201 B2/4./201 B4/4./201 III/4./201 - C/4./201 (Platoon commander's vehicle) C1/4./201 C2/4./201 C4/34./201 KpFu/4./201 - I/200 - A/I./200 (Platoon commander's vehicle) A1/I./200 A2/I./200 II/200 - B/II./200 (Platoon commander's vehicle) B1/II./200 B2/II./200 Randoms (people who are indecisive, unsure if they can make it, commitment issues, ...): 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSe419E Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) I'll be happy to go wherever you need me. Also, title of thread says Sunday, in your first post it says Saturday. Edited September 25, 2018 by TSe419E 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Ah good pickup - thought I fixed most of the info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Hi, given the scale/number of vehciles...this might be more of a CP-EX the turret time ;-P Looks good. I'll try to be here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 32 minutes ago, Grenny said: Hi, given the scale/number of vehciles...this might be more of a CP-EX the turret time ;-P Well I did say: "The intent will be to man the lead German formation with "most" people and some (those more happy with controlling more than one unit) looking after the depth units. As the lead is attrited those people will displace and man the next unit, etc." So someone can run a Platoon in the first Kompanie and then if wiped out, command a different platoon in a subsequent Kompanie. Anyway hope you can make it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraxas Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Hi Gibsonm, Three remarks: 1. Where is the 11th Marder, the "nicht gebundene Gruppe" ? in 1991 we had still the Bundeswehr Heeresstruktur 4 (army structur 4)! 2. In 1991 there were no T-90 only T-80! T-90 vs. Leo2A4: no chance for Leo2A4 due of armament, protection and ammunition! 3. The BN-Cdr has two Leo2A4! Edited September 26, 2018 by Abraxas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlad Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I'll be there, put me wherever needed. DBoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Abraxas said: Hi Gibsonm, Three remarks: 1. Where is the 11th Marder, the "nicht gebundene Gruppe" ? in 1991 we had still the Bundeswehr Heeresstruktur 4 (army structur 4)! 2. In 1991 there were no T-90 only T-80! T-90 vs. Leo2A4: no chance for Leo2A4 due of armament, protection and ammunition! 3. The BN-Cdr has two Leo2A4! Seriously? I offer you guys something to fill a gap and all you do is bleat. Very happy not to get up at 0330 to run this and enjoy my sleep in on a Public Holiday. Also FWIW, I've run this twice now and once the Germans destroyed the USSR and once the USSR whipped the Germans. I think you'll find the equipment differences matter a lot less than the human Vs AI component. Edited September 26, 2018 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Gibsonm said: Seriously? I offer you guys something to fill a gap and all you do is bleat. Very happy not to get up at 0330 to run this and enjoy my sleep in on a Public Holiday. Also FWIW, I've run this twice now and once the Germans destroyed the USSR and once the USSR whipped the Germans. I think you'll find the equipment differences matter a lot less than the human Vs AI component. Hey Mark, don't get wound up. While Abraxas is right on the facts...I do not think that this has any influence on the mission or game setup. Its needless(and senseless) nit-picking on his side IMO. Safe your anger for things that matter...in this case its uncalled for Edited September 26, 2018 by Grenny 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraxas Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Hey Mark, I'm sorry if I offended you. I just wanted to draw attention to factual mistakes. It's not a criticism of your scenario, it was meant to help. If I am criticised for this in this way, I will no longer express myself in this forum in future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Will be there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUST Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Looks to be a Fantastic Mission and would enjoy manning a Leo2 a4 (it Sunday, right ?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, JUST said: Looks to be a Fantastic Mission and would enjoy manning a Leo2 a4 (it Sunday, right ?) Well it will be held at "Sunday 30 SEP 18 game - 1800GMT". Whether that is Sunday or not, depends on where you live. For people in Europe its Sunday night, for me its early Monday morning. In fact I even provided a link "Local Equivalent Date / Time" so you can click on it and work out what the equivalent time is in one of 30 or so cities around the world - you just look for one near you. Edited September 27, 2018 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 12:33 AM, Abraxas said: Hi Gibsonm, Three remarks: 1. Where is the 11th Marder, the "nicht gebundene Gruppe" ? in 1991 we had still the Bundeswehr Heeresstruktur 4 (army structur 4)! 2. In 1991 there were no T-90 only T-80! T-90 vs. Leo2A4: no chance for Leo2A4 due of armament, protection and ammunition! 3. The BN-Cdr has two Leo2A4! 8 hours ago, Abraxas said: Hey Mark, I'm sorry if I offended you. I just wanted to draw attention to factual mistakes. It's not a criticism of your scenario, it was meant to help. If I am criticised for this in this way, I will no longer express myself in this forum in future. I probably shouldn't have reacted that way. I'm always happy with feedback (although when I built this several of your countrymen said the structure was right). Anyway: 1. Where is the 11th Marder? I have no idea. What should the structure be: Two in Kompanie HQ maybe? 2. As per ealrier this was a decision to make Red more difficult - T-80U (the only T-80 variant) died in droves and didn't provide any challenge. 3. I do not understand how the Battalion Commander (one person) can occupy two tanks? Perhaps you mean that again the Battalion HQ has two vehicles? The easiest option is probably to say that the unit eperienced losses on the way to the deployment area and these vehicles were damaged, destroyed, broken down, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 Currently six people coming. One or two more would make it a little less challenging but we can run it with what we have if necessary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connaugh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I will be there. Conn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D u k e Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 looks good I try to be there. Maybe Grenny can give me a call if I`m not there in the right time. cheers D u k e 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Can I take the JagdPanzers? HOT, 2nd Gen TIS, quick reloads, what's not to like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 Sure. Just remember they aren't crewable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colebrook Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I will CO. Put me in KpChef/201 pls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) Sorry, but that isn't a vacancy. Edited September 30, 2018 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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