Crusty Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 An interesting article about the forthcoming Scout SV with types and quantities.http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140903/DEFREG01/309030020/General-Dynamics-UK-Wins-Scout-SV-Deal-From-Britain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 An interesting article about the forthcoming Scout SV with types and quantities.http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140903/DEFREG01/309030020/General-Dynamics-UK-Wins-Scout-SV-Deal-From-BritainOh dear. When will the UK government realise that there is LOTS more to defence purchases than just the lowest sticker price? :icon_frown: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted September 4, 2014 Members Share Posted September 4, 2014 7.6 million EUR per vehicle doesn't sound as if there's someone pinching every penny. With previously awarded preparation costs it seems closer to 8.5M EUR, actually. For comparison, a Leopard 2A5 goes for 10 (...and a 2A4 in the mid 1980s was 5 millsion Deutschmarks, about 2.5M EUR...). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brun Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The UK army is cutting it's personal to 82,000 by 2018, smallest force since waterloo. That should free up some money to equip the few soldiers they have with top notch gear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The UK army is cutting it's personal to 82,000 by 2018, smallest force since waterloo. That should free up some money to equip the few soldiers they have with top notch gear.Sadly, the money saved is unlikely to be spent on new kit for our soldiers, but will probably be taken out of the defense budget and spent on other things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 7.6 million EUR per vehicle doesn't sound as if there's someone pinching every penny. With previously awarded preparation costs it seems closer to 8.5M EUR, actually. For comparison, a Leopard 2A5 goes for 10 (...and a 2A4 in the mid 1980s was 5 millsion Deutschmarks, about 2.5M EUR...).If your figures are right - and I'm sure they are - as well as letting our defence industry epertise slip away, our Ministry of Defence now seems to be overpaying for 'off the shelf ' stuff made outside the UK. Chinooks, anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So this is for the recce guys? its not to replace the Warrior IFV? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So this is for the recce guys? its not to replace the Warrior IFV?Yup, which is F**king madness.Replacing a Scimitar with what is essentially an ASLAV'd Pizarro(Take the troops out and stuff in assorted equipment.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 but there where also mentioned a "troop" version that allowed for 4 men squad. so I guess UK is going more like AU and having a mix of pure recce vehicle with vehicles with dismounts who can recce dismounted or something?Anyway, I guess the recce dudes are happy as kids on new years eve anyway to get anything new and cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Maybe they'll take the turret from this and put it on the Warriors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggydog Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Sooo.In the current version of SB. Does anyone know which ASCOD variant is closest to what the British army will be getting?Pizarro or Ulan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 And is there any chance of having the current, upgraded Warrior with TIS and LRF (IIRC) modeled in SB anytime soon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted September 6, 2014 Members Share Posted September 6, 2014 In the current version of SB. Does anyone know which ASCOD variant is closest to what the British army will be getting?They are both relatively far from it, I suppose, although I speculate that the Pizarro with its reactive armor is probably a wee bit closer (note that the Ulan's engine has a few more horsepowers, that may be something that the FRES might use as well). Both have a 30mm gun where the FRES-SV will have the 40mm CTA gun. In terms of armament the CV90/40 or the CV90/35 are much be closer to the FRES. I also suspect that it will feature a battlefield management system with electronic map, and suitable sensors for some JFST capability, maybe also a detached sensor suite like what the Fennek has. Then again, in the worst British traditions, it may be fitted for, but not with all this. :c: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted September 6, 2014 Members Share Posted September 6, 2014 And is there any chance of having the current, upgraded Warrior with TIS and LRF (IIRC) modeled in SB anytime soon?If we want to remain a facts-based simulation: Unlikely. If you want some speculative fantasy: Define "soon". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If we want to remain a facts-based simulation: Unlikely. If you want some speculative fantasy: Define "soon".Not sure what you are saying here. Is there not an updated version (compared to what we have in SB) of the Warrior already in service with the UK Army? If not, then I have been fed some seriously duff gen by those claiming expertise in this field.Soon is indefinable. I may be going shopping soon. Definitely this afternoon, whatever. I'm told that two galaxies in far distant nebula are going to collide soon. Within a few billion years probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Then again, in the worst British traditions, it may be fitted for, but not with all this. :c:Like our new aircraft carrier you mean. Fitted out for planes but not actually fitted WITH them.:clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR2_Commander Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Not sure what you are saying here. Is there not an updated version (compared to what we have in SB) of the Warrior already in service with the UK Army? If not, then I have been fed some seriously duff gen by those claiming expertise in this field.Soon is indefinable. I may be going shopping soon. Definitely this afternoon, whatever. I'm told that two galaxies in far distant nebula are going to collide soon. Within a few billion years probably.Or it could mean that they have no information on it so would have to guess, taking it away from a fact based game. I had to read it twice!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 So this is for the recce guys? its not to replace the Warrior IFV?That's correct KT, the Warrior is due to soldier on for sometime yet with a new fully stabilised turret mounting the same 40mm CTA http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/wcsp-britains-warriors-to-undergo-mid-life-upgrade-05967/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 That's correct KT, the Warrior is due to soldier on for sometime yet with a new fully stabilised turret mounting the same 40mm CTA http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/wcsp-britains-warriors-to-undergo-mid-life-upgrade-05967/Are any actually in service yet Crusty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Or it could mean that they have no information on it so would have to guess, taking it away from a fact based game. I had to read it twice!! Oh yes - I can see the MOD regarding the upgrade details as Top Secret! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggydog Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Are any actually in service yet Crusty?I don't think any with the new turret are in service. Just the trial units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 I don't think any with the new turret are in service. Just the trial units.I've not heard of any being in service yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 Here is a very interesting pdf detailing trials of the CTA in a Brad turret. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a381396.pdfIt has a lot of detail on ammunition performance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 If any one was wondering what is going to happen to CVRT here's your answer, at least for some of them as I think we have more than 123, not sure when it will happen, and if we're be left in the same situation as with our aircraft carriers, IE we give these to Latvia before we get SV Scout to replace them.http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140904/DEFREG01/309040030/With-Scout-SV-Deal-Done-UK-Sell-Surplus-CVR-T-s-Latvia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Speaking at the summit, Fallon said the deal is just "one way we are supporting our Baltic NATO allies. As a leading member of NATO, the UK is keen to restate publicly our support for the collective security of its members and enable our partners to contribute to international peacekeeping and security operations.”Who was it who first said (adopts Bronx accent), 'Woids is wind'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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