Tjay Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Don't think they will ever make a truly accurate War/armour movie.Even though they hire retired officers and historians as consultants. Production time costs money and why bother with details the majority of your audience Will not realise the inaccuracies anyway. Hope I am wrong though. Really looking forward to thunder run. Not only that, but a 'truly realistic' movie might be appreciated by a tiny, knowledgeable minority, but the vast majority wouldn't know the difference. So it doesn't make sense to go for authenticity if it adds to the cost. But if it doesn't cost any more to get it right than to get it wrong, why not get it right? Answer: because the director is almost certainly among the ignorant minority and has his own firm ideas of what makes 'good footage'. P.S I have flown helicopters in two documentaries (one about the construction of the Brent oil field in the North Sea) and had to really fight with the director on both occasions to persuade him that what he wanted bore no relation to the way it was done in real life. I won the North Sea one 'cos I was Chief Pilot of the operation and got on the blower to the PR dept at Shell, who told the director that when it came to the flying I called the shots. On the other one, I told the director that if I attempted to approach from the direction he asked ('It's all to do with the lighting dear boy') I would end up crashing. I saw his eyes positively light up at that prospect. :mad3: I wasn't surprised when the whole thing was scrapped during post-production. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Other weird stuff:Roomiest tank turret I've seen since "Lebanon" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1483831/)But not as roomy.The track runs off the top of the return rollers after the mine strike as if it was broken at the top (less than 10 link) not the bottom.Yeah I thought that as well.The bottom run of track was A OK but the road wheels were knackered.:cul:A lone AT mine? No APERS ones with it for when everybody jumps off to look at the damage?Pfft. Noobs.The sole Panzerfaust hit kills one guy in the "super crew" compared to the earlier scene where one completely incinerates a vehicle.Ah! But he's the "Spall Liner!"It needs a sniper to kill the guy outside the turret standing up on the rear deck using the AA 0.50". I guess because the remainder of the Company can't hit the side of a barn?They could hit a barn, but a tank is smaller than a barn. :men_ani:The grenades that go off inside cause no visible damage to the guys in the turret (yet the initial scene has the FNG washing out the remains of the previous assistant driver).And miracoulously missed the ammo, oh no wait they'd expended their ammo by then.A nice shade of arterial red would've been nice and accurate.Oh and the crew deliberately start a FIRE using a dead Nazi on the outside as kindling.And are smoking, inside the tank, from the beginning.So, technically this movie should've been over before it even begun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithcorp Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The knockoff version is out! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The knockoff version is out! Well you can't say its not inclusive: US - B 17 UK - Spitfire USSR - T-34/85 German - Infantry and that's just on the poster! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithcorp Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Yes, I liked the Spitfires on the poster, and the little swazzie on the back of the helmet. Apparently, according to IMDB, the Germans are the ones in the T34!Might have fewer inaccuracies than the parent movie... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipuli Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Nice visuals, very nice sounds. Few small details that make you happy, like the green tracers and the bucket. The movie starts OK, but after the encounter with the Tiger it looses it. The end scene is silly. My advice?Get a sixpack of beer. Consume it quickly during the movie. By the time you get to the end, you won't mind the sillynes - your mind is syncronized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Nice visuals, very nice sounds. Few small details that make you happy, like the green tracers and the bucket. The movie starts OK, but after the encounter with the Tiger it looses it. The end scene is silly. My advice?Get a sixpack of beer. Consume it quickly during the movie. By the time you get to the end, you won't mind the sillynes - your mind is syncronized.Beer? I thought the finnish solution would be vodka? Well, just from my observation after our meeting with the guys from Wärtsilä. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mower Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Shermans were designed to be medium tanks on purpose so many more could be mass produced, borrowing from the Soviet philosophy that quantity has it own quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Best movie I ever saw, this week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Shermans were designed to be medium tanks on purpose so many more could be mass produced, borrowing from the Soviet philosophy that quantity has it own quality.Well, not in the sense that the idea is to use quantity to offset 'quality.' When they were first designed, they weren't behind the curve- often better than Axis tanks, either as good or better than the early war German armor or on the other hand not suitable for the Pacific campaigns, or else, the Japanese still did not have better tanks at any rate. Moreover, the US initially conceived of the tank destroyer to fill the role of tank vs. tank combat.The Germans benefitted from naturally defensive, close quarter terrain in France and Italy, but if the Shermans broke out of that, their use as open country tanks probably outweighed the benefits of the better mid-late war German tanks.Finally, the philosophy that quantity has a quality all its own means more than just producing a bunch of medium grade equipment. It means that experience has taught that massed formations tend to be more effective than units spread out or sent in piecemeal. They tend to suffer fewer casualties and inflict more pain. So, 50 tanks sent in all at once on the attack has a different effect than 50 tanks sent in one at a time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gibsonm Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There's a reason why they call Hollywood the "Dream Factory" and not the "Documentary Factory". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma6584 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 LMFAO! Pretty much sums it up. I hated the movie. When I saw the Tiger-Sherman's battle I said to myself; "You got to be shitting me!" When I saw the last battle, I just laughed and told my wife I didn't realize this was to be a comedy. :luxhello: Somebody in the upper echelons of Hollywood got lazy. :mad3: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Pretty much sums it up. I hated the movie. When I saw the Tiger-Sherman's battle I said to myself; "You got to be shitting me!" When I saw the last battle, I just laughed and told my wife I didn't realize this was to be a comedy. :luxhello:Somebody in the upper echelons of Hollywood got lazy. :mad3:Still going to rent it when the movie goes to DVD, just to see 131.Got to sit in that tiger once so I feel an attachment to it. LoL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Best movie I ever saw, this week.Sooo. Just the one this week? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I didn't get to see Fury on the big screen but despite all the rants here I still won't help myself from buying the Blu-Ray when it comes out later this month! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haukka81 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's ok until tiger shows up, after that its hilarious comedy :c:Seriously , what the hell director was thinking ? :c::c: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's ok until tiger shows up, after that its hilarious comedy :c:Seriously , what the hell director was thinking ? :c::c:Money and/or the budget, probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted January 13, 2015 Members Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's ok until tiger shows up, after that its hilarious comedy :c:Actually, I found it still good up to the point where they reach the tree line, having fired the smoke grenades to conceal their retreat. THEN it turns into WoT. That "Last Stand" chapter - well, maybe they wanted to bring Audie Murphy to the screen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Actually, I found it still good up to the point where they reach the tree line, having fired the smoke grenades to conceal their retreat. THEN it turns into WoT. That "Last Stand" chapter - well, maybe they wanted to bring Audie Murphy to the screen.Yeah well,Audie Murphy never stepped inside the Tank Destroyer, He used the bolted on fifty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Still going to rent it when the movie goes to DVD, just to see 131.That's the thing, overlooking everything else, there is still the opportunity to see the tanks and to see the working Tiger- except not much. There's just not much screen time for the tanks at all, the Tiger is onscreen for one short scene, just a couple minutes, and the camera is constantly cutting back and forth between viewpoints during that scene. I found that technique to be a bit clumsy.Philosophically, the filmmakers do not use a lot of tension for the tank scenes, there's not much sense of being cloistered up in a tank, at least 90 percent of the action is outside of the tanks, which has a different effect than if they balanced the time between inside and outside. Not to spoil it, but I don't think I am revealing plot points here but explaining how they show you the Tiger: even during the Tiger scene, I don't remember showing any shots inside the Tiger, what you get are very quick external shots, and if the TC is giving orders, they show the Tiger from the outside viewpoint, and you just hear the TC's voice over the mic from this external view. This is a bit of an abstract way to convey these scenes, but I found a lot of Fury to be abstract- the camera work is abstract in this way, often using 'impossible' angles to shoot scenes from high above like a bird's eye view, or the theme music abstracts the battle scenes. The conversations are abstract when they reveal things that happen in the past, but don't show the audience anything about those events. The film in one word is abstract- it's not the technical inaccuracies, it's not the final scene which you might have heard about by now so much that I think removes the audience from the film, it's the artistic direction it takes over all- it's abstract. It seems not to make me care what happens at all one way or the other, I don't relate to what's happening a whole lot, don't really care what the characters are doing or talking about. It's like a lot of any other films- I just don't really care, during any given crop of films from any genre there's a rare gem or two that gets released every year which I think have all the ingredients, but Fury isn't one of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Got the Blu-Ray. I thought it was quite well done! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Got the Blu-Ray. I thought it was quite well done! Well of course you would say that, having bought it. But glad you enjoyed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well of course you would say that, having bought it. But glad you enjoyed it. :clin: On the contrary, I bought Stalingrad (2013) too and the same cannot be said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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