Porphyr

Hi

No, I didn't change any settings. I just installed the new drivers and used my normal profile, which has 4xAA set as standard.

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Yes!

Hi

I had almost given up hope on getting AA working with my ATI HD4800 series card. Anyway, I downloaded ATI driver 10.10 today and fired up SB just for the sake of it... Behold! No ugly jaggies!

It looks like owners of HD4800 cards can now get proper AA in combination with Win 7 64 bit.

I think Ssnake will be happy, if he is still using this card. :@!2:

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Hi

Thanks! Got it all installed and running. No problems at all here!

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Thanks for the info Ssnake, I have crossed my fingers on every new driver release...

Ok! murkz, do you get working AA with ATI tray tools?

Which ATI card do you have? And which driver and windows version do you run?

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Hi

For quite some time now I have been running a SB Pro PE with a ATI HD 4870 graphics card. The problem is that SB never has worked with Anti aliasing. No matter what settings i try, the result is the same, ugly jaggies.

I have tried most versions of the catalyst drivers released since I got the card. No luck. Is this problem something common to all ATI cards?

Other people with ATI cards, how are you doing, what generetion of card and drivers give working AA? I would be very happy to solve this riddle without buying a new card, as SB Pro PE is the only application that doesn't work with AA at the moment. Any chance the new uppgrade will make a difference?

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core duo @ 3.2

4 gig ram

Radeon HD 4870

Windows 7 64bit

All in eye candy but what about a in game antialiasing option?

For ATI 4k+ and Win7 couple :clin:

I totally second that one. Still no AA for my ATI 4800 card. Probably drivers issue, but why? Everything else I run, old and new, works with AA enabled with this card and latest drivers.

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Thanks! Download and installation was smooth.

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Patches and upgrades for SB Pro PE is always good news, thank you!

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We're currently working for Sweden, yes. It was scheduled for quite a while now, and we finally got around to work on it now. The NVGs are part of that too, also one new playable vehicle which will be added at a later point (but it's too early to say more about it).

Good, I see some results from my tax money coming back to me in the not too distant future. :biggrin:

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Good info, thanks. Do you happen to know if this is an issue with Windows 7 as well?

I Run the Win 7 RC at the moment and installed the ALchemy anyway, as Win 7 seems to share a lot from Vista.

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That is probably because you have a 9800 GTX card, right? I'm on the 8800 series of card.

Nope, no success for me with the Geforce 8800. Tried the Fps test mission and frames were just as bad as before with the newer driver. Back to the old one, which also happen to have working flat panel scaling options. Everything was better before...

Interesting, would the improvement be because of the new driver or from the new Windows 7 RC?

EDIT: Thanks, I will try out the new driver tonight myself.

Porphyr,

what exactly have you added to your Antivir's exception list? The SBP-exe?

With AVG I went into Tools > advanced settings. Then under the resident shield > exceptions. Here you can choose to add a path to folders that then won't be scanned in real time by AVG.

I guess you can also add exceptions to file type .aar if you want to, but I didn't do that.

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Hi

I tried setting exclusions, and it does help! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I can still notice a slight micro stutter, but it really is minimal in the missions I have tried with the new AVG setting.

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The 'lagging' with AAR writes may be due to the antivirus program (if you have one running) checking the data each time it is written. You might possibly see some improvement if you add the .aar as an exception.

Thanks Lieste, I will try that and see if it makes a difference. I'm running the free version of AVG at the moment. I used to have Kaspersky, and then I did'nt have these stutters with the beta version of SB Pro Pe.

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The pauses could also be caused by the AAR being written to disk, as someone mentioned. It would be interesting to know the interval between the pauses.

I tried the Border patrol single mission, and timed the stutter/micro freeze/ Hdd lag intervals with the internal clock. For me they happen exactly every 30 sec. I can even hear a slight buzz every time from my system Hdd at that moment. The pauses are connected to some Hdd activity for sure, AAR saving or something else. Any ideas what it is and how to get rid of it? I haven't had this before the upgrade.

I'm running a core 2 duo @ 3, 18 Ghz, Nvidia 8800GTS, 4 GB ram, Creative X-Fi. Two 320 GB Seagate hdd and one 1TB Western Digital.

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I also get occasional screen stutters (or very low screen frames) now, rarely, but it happens. That is a first over here. windows XPO, the same computer P-4 3 GHz that i used since three years and SBP was released. Just the graphics board improved three times (nVidia 7950GT, 512 MB), and RAM doubled to now 2 GHz.

I have noticed the same. I don't think this has to do with graphics driver or Gpu performance, even if Nvidia drivers have some problems. It was suggested in another thread that it was the AAR being written to Hdd. In that case it's essentially Hdd lag... I haven't had this before either, with the same computer setup. Is there any way to get rid of it or improve on this on the users end? Has the way how AAR is recorded changed? Is there more data getting stored now? Not a big problem, but happens with some irritating regularity through out missions...

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EPIC! it works!!!!

Installed the 163.75 vista drivers on my windows 7, everything works flawlesly, 62.50 FPS across the board... fucking awesome!!!

Thanks for bringing up the idea and testing old drivers, i was thinking about it earlier since it's only recently i have experienced theese huge problems but I never came around to trying it.

If we ever meet i will buy you a lot of beer!

On a side note....

Tänkte på ditt namn, du råkar inte komma från Älvdalen?

EDIT

Turned out the 163.75 driver was causing some instability on my system, the driver itself was crashing and recovering randomly, i have now switched to the 175.19 driver and it is working fine so far, I'm gonna move up and see if i can determine which driver it is that is causing the problems and see if theres anything in the readme notes that can explain what's causing the trouble.

Nice! The 163.75 is stable so far on my system, but I will try later ones and compare the results as well. Anyhow, it's good to know that there is a way to get good performance with the 8 series of cards.

Nej, jag är inte från Älvdalen eller industrin där... Jag sitter säkert på västkusten, så jag borde kanske valt "Granite" istället Fast namnvalet är ursprungligen mer komplicerat än att bara hitta en lämplig bergart. Men det får vi ta över den där ölen!

Awesome info porphyr, i'll try them as soon as i can, allthough i already see a problem with running old drivers like this for people who play other games than SB, i have on the other hand an os dedicated to SB only so it should be ok.

True, using a two year old driver might mean other problems. I wish one could create a profile for a game and specify which driver version to use and pick it from a library of stored drivers on the hdd. It's no longer enough to only create profiles within the limits of one driver version, as they all seem to have pros and some severe cons...

I might try drivers later than the 163.75 and see if there is a breaking point so to speak, or if the performance is continuously getting worse with every new driver. In my case it certainly looked like something was broken in the rendering, as performance with latest windows 7 64bit and vista 64 bit drivers was horrible, even in low resolution and with no AA or AF applied. I'm very happy the 163.75 worked so well with my set up, now I can fully enjoy the fine upgrade and dig deeper into SB Pro Pe.

Hope you and others find the magic bullet for your system as well!

I have some good news. I tried the oldest driver I could find in Nvidia archived drives for Vista 64bit, that supports the 8800GTS. From the Nvidia site. I then did the FPS test and the difference was huge! Check my posted results in the Fps test thread. Link I Haven't tried a lot more missions, but it certainly looks very promising.

Ghost, your 8800GTX should be able to use that driver as well, I don't think the OS difference between Vista 64bit or Windows 7 64 bit which I have should be a problem. Hope this works out for more people with 8 series Nvidia cards.

Windows 7 64bit beta

Intel Core duo 6600 @ 3.18 Ghz

Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB

Driver 163.75 (from November 6 2007) (For Vista 64bit)

4 GB RAM

Creative SB X-FI

Hi again

I have some good news I did the same FPS test, but I used the oldest driver I could find in Nvidia archived drives for Vista 64bit, that supports the 8800GTS. I also switched to 1680x1050 when I saw huge improvements. Default sliders and no AA or AF.

Windows 7 64bit beta

Intel Core duo 6600 @ 3.18 Ghz

Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB

Driver 163.75 (from November 6 2007) (For Vista 64bit)

4 GB RAM

Creative SB X-FI

Frame Rate Results

Look at this :shocked: That's what I call improvement... Will try some stock missions as well now, and just keep fingers crossed I found a working driver for this set up.

Built up area

External

61

External Zoomed

44

GPS Without TIS

35

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

54

TC Unbuttoned

62

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

47

Moderate

External

62

External Zoomed

62

GPS Without TIS

62

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

62

TC Unbuttoned

62

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

62

Thick Woods

External

62

External Zoomed

62

GPS Without TIS

62

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

62

TC Unbuttoned

62

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

62

Resolution

1680x1050

Hi

This is my result. Some of the Fps readings where a bit hard to do. A very slight adjustment of the view direction could give big drops or slight increases. The result in game play would anyhow be extremely erratic fps.

I did the test in low resolution 1024 x 768 and with no AA or AF, sliders at default.

Hardware and drivers

Windows 7 64bit beta

Intel Core duo 6600 @ 3.18 Ghz

Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB

Driver 8.15.11.8171

4 GB RAM

Creative SB X-FI

Frame Rate Results

Built up area

External

13

External Zoomed

10

GPS Without TIS

8

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

12

TC Unbuttoned

13

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

9

Moderate

External

16

External Zoomed

44

GPS Without TIS

10

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

18

TC Unbuttoned

12

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

40

Thick Woods

External

18

External Zoomed

62

GPS Without TIS

62

GPS Zoomed Without TIS

62

TC Unbuttoned

19

TC Unbuttoned Zoomed

62

Resolution

1024x 768

Vista Home Editon premium 32 bit

Furia

Did you run the FPS test mission? If so how did your setup fare with that one? Without comparing the same mission/map with different settings/hardware it's hard to judge the Fps results.

Ssnakes earlier post indicates that the problem could be with some of the ground clutter or the trees. As these differs in amount and style from map to map, it's probably a good idea to use the test map when comparing results. I will do it properly tonight myself, and post my hardware and fps results in the test thread.

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