Assassin 7

Maybe there is no proof to support your statement. No believe you

LMAO

That's funny this is what I get when I look up the Abram's armor. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_thick_is_the_M1A2_Abrams_tank_armour#slide=1&article=How_thick_is_the_M1A2_Abrams_tank_armour

Very nice but this doesn't mention anything about the armor on the abrams. So where do you get the statement "yes even the M1 uses Aluminum to at least "some" degree"

This document is from the 1970's, 1979 to be exact. This document proves nothing. Im sure there have been many changes and testing done after this.

You did nothing wrong. Maybe to make it a little easier, maybe you should have placed checkpoints and numbered the SBF's which we talked about. Good training with no map updates. Also you had good control of your forces and I would say that the mission was a success. walked out with 2 tanks immobile and 2 tanks fully operational out of the 4.

LOL that's also what they said in Desert Storm too. The mighty T-72. Yeah that turned out to be a lie

Yeah I knew what he meant and your exactly right about the Hull Ammo compartment

Anyways, from this conversation I think you know what Theory of Operations is for the abrams. Maybe you should read them. later

The tank save many lives and the frontal armor is made to defeat rounds that is shot at you. You stated you would rather be shot in the rear. Not the front. And you stated that there is a ammo bunker in the rear of the tank that protects you. Not true. The Hull ammo stowage just protects you from your own rounds cooking off in the turret basket. this was your statement: The M1 uses sacrificial armor on the turret rear (ammo bunker), rear of hull (engine), and fuel cells on the side of the driver. I would rather be hit into the rear of the hull by a RPG, than hull side. Though the tank will possibly shut down on me (depending on what gets hit), the crew will be OK. Between the rear armor, and inner hull there is too much "crap" and distance. That jet rapidly loses penetration with distance. As to the fuel cells, they are behind a ballistic skirt, followed by a hollow space, possibly road wheels or track (depending on exactly where hit), an outer hull, and then the plastic fuel cells that are basically in an encased box. They are hard to set afire (no air) even when they are penetrated or if the outside is set afire, and then they are still separated from the crew compartment by another inner hull. Do you see what's happening here? Outer hull, inner hull, and everything flammable and explosive is sandwiched between those and because of that, things that can go boom, or burn can actually add to the protection of the crew. This is different from placing a thin skinned fuel tank that can catch on fire with WP arty, a Molotov cocktail, etc on the rear exposed, or having ammo stored the way it is on a T72. The ammo bunker turret rear of an M1 actually provides protection.

Yes on Tanknet

No you can't see everything all around you, but as a platoon of 4 tanks we fought off the enemy just as well in a urban environment. I was also deployed back to Ramadi Iraq in 2005, where we fought in a urban environment using M1A1 HA's. So yes you can fight in urban areas with a tank. I did it and so did all the tanker's in my platoon. This is no excuse. If it wasn't for the abrams I wouldn't be here today. here is my picture. This tank rolled in protective mode for 2 miles back to the FOB. My TC and I had concussions and the driver and loader was the only one that could act at that time.

Actually I do know guys that was part of RFCT in OIF 1 and 2. I was part of 3ID 2/69 Armor. We took hits from RPG's to the side of our turrets with no penetration. Did that projectile go through to the crew compartment?

This tank looks familiar are you sure you didn't get these pictures off the internet? Just because you have a picture doesn't mean anything. All this shows is that an abrams got hit with a projectile. Did it go all the way through? were are the inside pictures from this tank?

The M1 uses sacrificial armor on the turret rear (ammo bunker), rear of hull (engine), and fuel cells on the side of the driver. I would rather be hit into the rear of the hull by a RPG, than hull side. Though the tank will possibly shut down on me (depending on what gets hit), the crew will be OK. Between the rear armor, and inner hull there is too much "crap" and distance. That jet rapidly loses penetration with distance. As to the fuel cells, they are behind a ballistic skirt, followed by a hollow space, possibly road wheels or track (depending on exactly where hit), an outer hull, and then the plastic fuel cells that are basically in an encased box. They are hard to set afire (no air) even when they are penetrated or if the outside is set afire, and then they are still separated from the crew compartment by another inner hull. Do you see what's happening here? Outer hull, inner hull, and everything flammable and explosive is sandwiched between those and because of that, things that can go boom, or burn can actually add to the protection of the crew. This is different from placing a thin skinned fuel tank that can catch on fire with WP arty, a Molotov cocktail, etc on the rear exposed, or having ammo stored the way it is on a T72. The ammo bunker turret rear of an M1 actually provides protection. What!!! now I heard it all. Dude just stop while your ahead. Have you ever replaced a fuel cell? have you ever seen inside the front 2 bulkheads going to the fuel cell? Ammo bunker? what the heck are you talking about, must be the hull ammo compartment. The Hull Ammo compartment you have 3 blowout panels 1 on top and 2 on the bottom. The blowout panels are only if those 6 rounds in the hull ignite. do you even know what's is separating the turret basket from the power pack compartment? just a bulkhead that is half an inch and a sound suppressor plate. that's it. You are out of your mind if you would rather be hit in the rear than the front of the tank. As a former tanker "19K" I would rather be hit from the front, like we are trained to fight. Turn our armor towards the enemy. Do you even know what Theory of operations is for the Abrams? Maybe you need to find out and read it.

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I wouldn't say that, from this guy (Red 6) posts I would say maybe he should go read more on the Theory of Operations for the Abrams

I like the part at 43:32. ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfWpGMqM8o&list=UUr6ic-BCLd-tY0gDUjsphxA

just got to say one thing "Gunner, MPAT, Chopper" LOL

Lol, yeah I had to uninstall both versions of SB and reinstall SB. Thanks for the advice Volcano

Thank you Tacbat for the Campaign and Thank you Sean for hosting

I will take blue CO

Personally I think you did a outstanding job.