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  1. 58 minutes ago, 12Alfa said:

    Is the US building new tanks, my understanding that all "new" tanks are rebuilds as per

     

    During MSPO 2022 in Kielce, Poland, I talked with GDLS and US Army representatives, all 250 M1A2SEPv3's for Poland will be new builds, not older tanks upgraded. GDLS still have capability to build new tanks. This was Polish Army requirement, that all these tanks will be 100% brand new, which I also confirmed with spokesman of Armaments Agency responsible for procurement with Land Forces Inspectorate.

  2. 18 hours ago, ole1291 said:

    Did most of those placed in long term storage receive an upgrade as well prior to retirement?

    So Poland will basically receive M1s with latest (or close) protection level but without the hunter killer capability, data link moving map etc... of the M1A2. I imagine no APS as well (any plans for the future?). 

    M1A1's in long term storage are mostly empty shells, that either way will need refurbishment, overhaul and at least partial modernization before they can be fielded by any army out there that might buy them.

     

    Poland procured 116 M1A1FEP tanks with SCWS (Stabilized Commander Weapon Station) with AIDATS (Abrams Integrated Display And Targeting System) with slew-to-cue and RTS thermal sight with 3x, 6x and 9x magnification. So this works like CITV and gives commander hunter killer capability. These tanks also have BMS terminal and will use Sitaware BMS which was choosen for Polish Army M1 tanks.

    Poland also procured 250 new build M1A2SEPv3 tanks. In future it is planned to upgrade these 116 M1A1FEP tanks to M1A2SEPv3 standard. Polish Army also plans to procure APS for M1 tanks, probably Trophy HV.

     

    Deliveries of M1 tanks for Polish Army looks like this:

    2023-2024 - 116 M1A1FEP.

    2024/2025-2026 - 250 M1A2SEPv3.

  3. 1 hour ago, ole1291 said:

    That's the question...

    The debate was initially about whether the Leo2A4 and M1A1 that are likely to be sent to the war in Ukraine could resist BM42 rounds on the front. What do you think?

     

    President Biden was rather open about that, no M1's for Ukraine.

     

    1 hour ago, ole1291 said:

    M1IP upgrade dates to early 80s so still presumably aimed at improving initial M1 poor (relative to CE) KE protection, threat round at the time likely still BM22. 

    M1A1 HA upgrade (with DU inserts) from late 80s logically defeats BM42, were all M1A1 HA upgraded to HA standard?

     

    M1 KE protection was ok when it was fielded. M1IP and M1A1 protection levels for both turret and hull front were improved, by how much? I don't know, but in my opinion it was around ~500-600mm vs KE +/- so just like in SBProPe.

     

    Majority of M1A1's were upgraded with Heavy Armor Package (HAP), either being upgraded to M1A1HA standard, or M1A1AIMv1 or M1A1AIMv2/M1A1SA. However in 2010 or 2011, Heavy Armor Package was replaced by Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP), we can recognize it by letter after serial number on turret side. Heavy Armor Package is marked with letter U, Next Generation Armor Package is marked with letter M.

    So from 2010/2011 onwards M1A1SA's and M1A2SEPv2's received 1st generation NGAP, while from 2018 onwards, M1A2SEPv3's have 2nd generation NGAP. All M1 tanks going through major overhauls receive new armor package.

     

    This is something to be confirmed this year when Polish Army will receive it's M1A1FEP's, however we know that after overhaul process, these will not be M1A1FEP's but, something we can call M1A1PL, and these might receive new armor package as well as other modifications to meet Polish Army requirements.

  4. On 1/12/2023 at 8:15 AM, ole1291 said:

    Similar logic could be applied to M1 HA upgrade.


    And again to what made up values?

    Ballisticians in War and Peace volume 3 gives some information.

    Primary informations is, both M1IP and M1A1 got improved armor over basic M1. Both M1IP and M1A1 received something called KE Backpacks. Another provided information is that M1A2 have 35% better protection vs KE and 25% better protection vs CE for it's front hull armor over basic M1A1.

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  5. @Ssnake

    I found interesting patent document.

    https://www.fips.ru/ofpstorage/Doc/IZPM/RUNWC1/000/000/002/781/472/ИЗ-02781472-00001/document.pdf

    It says that 30mm 2A42 autocannon have problems firing 3UBR8 APDS (and presumably also newer 3UBR11 APFSDS?), it is caused by interference of muzzle break with round (sabot issue?), causing drastic increase in projectiles spread, that is around 1m or more at 100m.

    Solution found was to bore out muzzle break by 1-2mm, then projectiles spread increases to acceptable levels.

    However it is not known if this modification is widespread. In Ukraine it seems that BMP-2's and BMD-2's use mostly 3UBR6 APBC.

     

    These problems are not present with 2A72 30mm autocannon because it lacks muzzle break.

  6. 4 hours ago, mpow66m said:

    Ok.I thought I heard 280.Whats gonna happen to the Leos?I think we know the fate of thr warsaw pact equiptment.How many Abrams does Poland hv.?

     

    Leopard 2's will stay in service untill enough K2PL's won't be procured, after that, all Leopard 2's will be withdrawn from active service.

    As for Abrams, currently we lease 28 M1A2SEPv2's from US Army for training purposes, on order are 116 refurbished M1A1SA's and 250 brand new M1A2SEPv3's, in future more might be ordered. M1A1SA's are planned to be upgraded to M1A2SEPv3 standard at some point in future.

  7. 1 hour ago, mpow66m said:

    Poland just ordeted 280 K2s and are developing the K2PL with them.

     

    Actually we ordered 180 K2's, and with Korea we are developing K2PL which we plan to procure around 820 so in total there will be 1000 K2 and K2PL tanks in Polish Army as per current MoD plans.

  8. 8 hours ago, munckmb said:

    Wow! At this rate they are going to be one of the better equipped armies in Europe. The Dutch are almost useless, equipment wise, we gave away most of our heavy firepower to Ukraine. Let's see if Poland also buys modern ssk's quicker then the Netherlands. Politics sucks. Well done Poland.

     

    Right now work is done to start producing our new FFG's within "Miecznik" ("Swordfish") programme. SSK programme codenamed "Orka" ("Orca") is ongoing, Navy is quiet about it, but as far as I heard, something is going on.

  9. Ok, an update, because this is huge! Informations I will provide below, is from Armaments Agency spokesman Col. Krzysztof Płatek. Polish MoD plans:
     

    MBT's:

    - 116 M1A1SA to be upgraded to M1A2SEPv3.

    - 250 new built M1A2SEPv3.

    - 180 K2 to be upgraded to K2PL.

    - 820 K2PL produced in RoK and Poland.

    - K3PL a future MBT developed in cooperation between Poland and Republic of Korea.

    - T-72's, PT-91's and Leopard 2's will be completely withdrawn from service.

    IFV's:

    - 1000-1400 Borsuk IFV.

    - Heavy IFV based on AS21 Redback, total numbers to be procured unknown at this moment.

    155mm SPH's:

    - 144 AHS Krab.

    - 48 K9A1 to be upgraded in future to K9PL.

    - 642 K9PL based on K9A2.

    - Codevelopment between Poland and Republic of Korea for next generation 155mm SPH.

    MLRS:

    - Polish MoD is interested in K239 Chunmoo to supplement procurement of M142 HIMARS and WR-40 Langusta-2.

  10. 7 hours ago, munckmb said:

    https://militaryleak.com/2022/07/23/poland-to-buy-fa-50-aircrafts-k2-tanks-and-k9-howitzers-from-south-korea/

    Why? What's with the mixing of equipment? Is it politics again? Now they are buying K2's.

    Phase 1 = ~180 K2's from Republic of Korea. Phase 2 = probably ~400 K2PL's.

    This is probably the plan. It is also officialy confirmed by MoD, all T-72's, PT-91's and Leopard 2's will be withdrawn from service, replaced by 366 M1A2SEPv3's (116 upgraded M1A1SA's and 250 new built M1A2SEPv3's) and 580 K2/K2PL. Also worth to mention, MoD might procure some additional M1's in future if there will be such need.

     

    In simple words. T-72's, PT-91's and Leopard 2's are going out, and we stay only with M1A2SEPv3's and K2/K2PL's.

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    First M1A2SEPv2's for Polish Army traning center for crew delivered.
     

    Second important information, MoD said, that at some point, 116 M1A1SA's we bought, will be upgraded to M1A2SEPv3 standard.

     

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  12.  https://www.polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2022-07-14/mariusz-blaszczak-w-programie-gosc-wydarzen/?ref=aside_najnowsze

    Minister of Defence, Vice Prime Minister Mariusz Błaszczak, just confirmed that Poland and USA agreed that US will provide Poland with additional older M1's (variant unknown yet) besides 250 M1A2SEPv3's we bought. How many of these additional M1's will be provided remain to be seen.

     

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    Podkreślił, że Polska pracuje nad "uzupełnieniem braków", czego przykładem jest kontrakt ze Stanami Zjednoczonymi, na dostawę 250 czołgów Abrams. - Będziemy mieć też uzupełnione jednostki przez starszego typu czołgi Abrams.

    He stressed that Poland is working on "filling the gaps", an example of which is the contract with the United States for the supply of 250 Abrams tanks. - We will also have units completed by older Abrams tanks.

     

  13. 11 hours ago, iamfritz said:

    Well, ever since some of the tankers in a F%$#book group said how much they loved the loose Ma Deuce and personally sending .50 cal vengeance upon insurgents I've been partial to that version anyway.

     

    Currently standard for M1A2SEPv2's and M1A2SEPv3's (and in future M1A2SEPv4's) is CROWS-LP, so RWS stays on tank, just in different lower profile variant.

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    Polish 155mm Krab SPH's were provided to Ukrainian Army, 18 SPH's + C2 and support vehicles. It seems they are very liked by Ukrainian Army, so liked that Ukrainians ordered 50-60 more.

     

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    It seems that Poland will use in future not one, but two modern IFV's. It will be domestic amphibious Borsuk, and heavier IFV. It seems that this heavier IFV will be South Korean AS21 Redback, which will be modified to use Polish made ZSSW-30 unmanned turret the same used in Borsuk IFV, probably some other modifications will be made as well.

     

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    And first 70 from 300 purchased Cougar 4x4 MRAP's Polish MoD procured are already in Poland. These vehicles on avarage drived only around 200km, so they are like factory fresh. All Cougars we bought have TAK-4 suspension system. Right now first vehicles are being modified to meet Polish Army requirements and will be repainted in Polish Army camouflage scheme.
     

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    Ok, so it seems that indeed Polish Army tank fleet in future will be made from two tank types, M1A2SEPv3 and K2PL. Our MoD is having a long visit right now in Republic of Korea, talking with our Korean partners about possible technology transfers, licenses etc.

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