desertsaint101

slow mo TOW 2B hiting what i think is a mock up of a full combat loaded T-72

I dont know if this is of use to anyone on here but came across it on the web. its a link to Warsaw Pact Order of Battle June 1989. http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/nato/warsawpact.html

sorry for the late reply, cheers for all the information i will be sure to read it all thoroughly, when i next get some R&R.

Just wondering if any of you know of a good stand-in for a T-80/bv (NOT the T-80U if possible as it seems a little OP of the scenario i am making) have i also mentioned that i am also willing to stand on my head and squint cheers in advance Desert.

Chieftain Mk.5 (that is all) :bigsmile:

next time you go to mention a popular TV show can you say spoiler as their maybe some member on the forum that haven't watched it yet and was waiting until they get back home in 2 months time :bigsmile: cheers

I am bowing out now it's just i don't get the point he is trying to put across, if he has done training on this tactic like he posted (which to me that means he's served) the he should know the pros and cons of the maneuver. so what is the point of this discussion. why not make a post of showing the member not in the know of how to use the tactic, or even defend his argument with an alternative tactic that he would use

[ATTACH]12200[/ATTACH] This is if you need a example on your own map this is the tactic i would use, given your scenario. E1= element 1 E2= element 2 E2 movement: E2 moves to the woodland to it east and recons the clearing out of sight of E1. E1 remains on hill to provide over watch in central corridor. Actions: If no enemy see splits into smaller element ( 2 groups of 2) one of the groups moves NW through the wooded area to recon the NW clearing, no enemy seen returns to second group. If enemy seen decision made to engage if weaker enemy force and/or fall back and call of map support (ie arty or airstrike). E2 movement: one of the now split down E2 element provides cover/support, while the other E2 element crosses to the second wood line. goes firm and waits the support element to catch up the move through the woodland to the second clearing E1 can't see. actions: same again as first action E2 movement Again one of the split E2 elements supports while the other bound forward to the north then again goes firm and awaits link up with the support element it then moves up to the hill, and watches the NW clearings E1 now has the option of going straight up the central corridor or with guns pointing to it's flanks as 12 and 3 has been cleared already. or can then do the same movement drills as E2 just on the W side.

will happen the forward element will hit the dirt and put down suppressive fire then the support element will either (1) relocate to a new position to gain LoS on the enemy (2) advance up to the position of the forward element then set up a base of fire from where the front element will assault the enemy position (3) will start a flank attack on the enemy position. I don't want to sound rude, but i think you way of thinking to this tactic is very one dimensional, the battlefield is very fluid and this tactic won't be the only tactic that the CO or whoever is in charge has up his sleeve, he and his men should also be think constantly WHAT IF, i.e what if as we advance and then come under fire from our right flank, answer , we go firm start putting suppressive fire down until our "angles" on the hill relocate or bring fire to bare. hhmm if your supporting element is doing it job right and not sitting with there thumb up their arses, and the advancing element is doing it job right and covering from it 9, 12, 3 as it advances then any contact made can be dealt with. again don't want to sound rude ( I am still recovering from jet lag) This answers your question you should know that bounding overwatch is a useful and if executed properly will succeed. If not then you should go and tell your unit that you need to retrain. This is easily overcome with Movement 101, Once the forward element has reached a point of where the supporting element cannot cover (unless in assaulting distance) then it should go firm and the supporting element will move up and either BOUND the now firm element. at which the firm element will then become the supporting element. and the supporting element will then become that advancing element. Any ways this tactic isn't supposed to be use to cover a mass distance at once, but break up lets say a 800m distance into small segments. That scenario is a fail of showing unable to suppress, and is showing the inability of available direct fire at the target not suppressive. just because you can't see the target does not mean that you can't put suppressive fire into the rough area (as long as friendly elements won't get hit), of where the enemy is. there for now the enemy has to think about the rounds coming in from the guys he can't see and is he going to get flanked, whereas the element that has just taken the initial contact can fall back and a new tactic can then be brought into place. yes ok in a tank fight with the % of first round hit so high then yes there might be a casualty, but i might also bounce, then giving the friendly units time to return fire. and if you're taking the tactic straight out of the book then theres your problem, the field manual is there to give you an understanding of how to accomplish the maneuver, it is then to be adapted to the situation on the ground. and shouldn't be used on its own otherwise it is setup to fail.

bounding overwatch (aka leap frog)?? to move to a further forward position when enemy presence is in the AO but otherwise undetermined.... stage one: A element setup overwatch (if infantry it would be weapon squad in an ideal world with HMG's) along the plain of movement with arcs of fire at the 12 o'clock position as well as 3 & 9 to cover possible flanking fire. stage two: whichever element is moving forward is given the order to move and will use whatever cover is available to them (hedgerows, walls, dead ground) or a quick bimble across open ground, but dosn't move out of LoS from supporting element. stage three: When forward element has reached forward position it sets up 360 degree security (arcs of fire 12, 3, 6, 9,), stage three/four: once set rear element moves to new forward position ( in this instance weapon squad) and help set up forward facing arcs of fire. scenario: at stages 2 in this instance and we shall call the forward moving element E1 and the Support element S1. E1 has commenced forward movement, while S1 is overwatching from hilltop. E1 (using cover/quick bimble) takes fire from 12 o'clock E1 takes cover/down on belt buckles starts putting down it's own suppressive while S1 bring all it guns to bear on enemy and then put down suppressive fire, when this is achieved E1 then re commences forward movement while also still putting down suppressive fire. S1 maintains suppressive fire upon till the last minute where and when the assault by E1 commences (the fun part ) just my 2 pence this is standard bounding overwatch that i was taught in the military and it works in training and in active combat.

killjoy i was just about to post, that now 3.0 is almost out of the way and you guys/gals have had your well deserved tea and biscuit brake when will we get the daddy of all tanks the chieftain. :debile2:

saw this found it funny "how real men shoot skeet"

Kind of like glass then??

cheers ssnake and what I was angling more towards the triggers and if commands obviously I am prepared to have to move a few way point or change a vehicle here and there just didn't want to have to rewrite a hole chain of commands, but if I have interpreted what you are saying right then is should just be download new veirsion/load new mission/test/a few clicks here and there/test/leave it a lone for a few weeks month so forget what actually happens in mission/play/scream blue murder when i cant finish my own mission.

cheers Gibsonm yeah was going to check them and obviously edit as needed but didnt want a total redo

hi guys just a question that popped in to my head, i have lots of little missions that i have made not very important, but fun when i want to kill 20 mins or so. and was just wondering if with the new patch coming out in how ever many months, if all these little fun missions of mine will still be playable. cheers DS

I was taught the MK1 eye ball first then the radio but that's just me being picky :biggrin: but yeah your right when we were attached to armoured Rece then they hardly ever fired there main gun. unless we were playing opfor and we then pissed them off with taking the parachute off the shamoolies and fired then at there vehicles but that's another story.

oh god what have I started here I think that it would be handy to have and option for hight markers to be on or off, with also the option to have contour line heights to be marked like we already have the option change the spacing on the map. Then the user can clutter and de-clutter the map as needed. As for options of the hight number intervals I think 5, 10, and 20 would be all that is needed. For spot heights as Gibson say's you can put the spot heights in manually, but on the other hand it could also be an option of say anything over 50 feet of starting alt or average lowest alt of map to get a spot height. But we can debate all this until the cows come home in the end of the day it is up to the good guys at Esim to try and implement. if they have time to write a new code to recognise all the different map height of past and future creation, or even deem it necessary, And as I don't have a clue about coding I cant really say if this is even possible, or worth the effort of the coders time to implement this as it seems only a small monitory that is having the same problem as me.

Stupid question, excellent response! For those that don't know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an Australian. General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently. Read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you have to love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. In a portion of an ABC radio interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters. FEMALE INTERVIEWER:So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base? GENERAL COSGROVE:! We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it? GENERAL COSGROVE:I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range. FEMALE INTERVIEWER:Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? GENERAL COSGROVE:I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm. FEMALE INTERVIEWER:But you're equipping them to become violent killers. GENERAL COSGROVE:Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you? The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, this interview was over. ........................................................................................................ If it true I want to buy this man a beer

ARMOURED INFANRTY BATTALION MANOEUVER SUPPORT COMPANY COY HQ COMMANDER-MAJOR 2X WARRIOR ATGW PL HQ 1 PARTAN (BEING REPLACED BY ONE OF THE FRES MODLES) & 2X WARRIOR X3 SECTIONS A SECTION CONSISTS OF 2X WARRIOR 4X ATGM RECCE PL 8X RECCE VEH CVTR (MIGHT BE REPLACED WITH FRES MODLE) ASS PIONEER PL X4 WARRIOR MORTAR PL X3 SECTIONS + X3 MFC +1 ON MOB A SECTION CONSISTS OF 3X 432 2X 81 MM MORTAR ALSO BRITISH FORCES USE A COMBINATION OF THE JAVELIN(DIFFERENT FROM THAT AMERICAN VERSION) AND NLAW AS STATED THESE 2 POSTS ARE FROM MEMORY AND OLD NOTES THAT HAVE BEEN DUG OUT DURING HOUSE MOVE MAY NOT BE ACCURATE BUT HOPE THEY HELP

57 x Warrior 12 x Javelin ATGW 21 x AFV 432 8 x Recce Vehicles 6 x 81mm Mortar 700 odd All Ranks. ARMOURED INFANTRY BATTALION EQUIPMENT FROM MEMORY MAY/MAY NOT HELP ARMOURED OR MECHANISED INFANTRY PLATOON MOUNTED IN WARRIOR OR AFV432 AIVF/APC PLT CMDR 2LT OR LT PLT SGT BOX OP 51MM MORTAR OP 1ST SECTION AIFV/APC FIRE TEAM SECT COMD CPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER FIRE TEAM SECT 2 I/C LCPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER 2ND SECTION AIFV/APC FIRE TEAM SECT COMD CPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER FIRE TEAM SECT 2 I/C LCPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER 3RD SECTION AIFV/APC FIRE TEAM SECT COMD CPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER FIRE TEAM SECT 2 I/C LCPL RIFLE MAN RIFLE MAN LMG GUNNER

SIR!!!!!! I forgot to post a BIVCHIT and only came back out of hospital Monday night but should be willing and able on Sunday.

A valid point but think of it as a shell and no a missile or even a JDAM , and it its fired from the tank so the tanks computer has already put the motion of the target in to the factor, as it does with an ordinary shell, so say if a dumb round with a well trained crew can get a 90% chance of a 1 hit kill every round fired then this new round is going to give that said crew the extra 10% for a 100% chance for every round fired

Is it possible to change the terrain in the mission editior? ie most/all maps when in the mission editor when I view them are what seem to think mid summer (full green leaves lush green grass), is it possible to set the map so that it is winter time (No leave on tree except semi-deciduous, and ever greens)?? second stupid question on the Embark/move to end if ect. if i change the box where it says AND to OR how many of the little box's can i use in the rows next to it all six or just the lower four that have the OR out side, OR (and [])?? sorry if these have been answer a million time already but I used the search and could find a thing desert