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Posts posted by Lumituisku

  1. A lot of people wish a great many things from products that appeal to them.  That there is such much wishing means there is that appeal as well.  


    Though that said, I do aprove what Ssnake said abobe.  And I sincerely wish Esimgames stays true to chosen path.

    And, more over I love Steelbeast so much that if it ever happens (unlikely)  that Id become millionaire by winning lottery or such, id donate huge portion of that for development of next generation Steelbeast by Esim games.  



    As for the GHPC  I believe it has gunner sights as well...  to shoot things. There is video of such. 

    And by what I have seen.. commander and possibly in future gunner position.   

  2. Forwarding this from my friend Harry Martin who is relatively new player in Steelbeast. 

    Harry Martin:
    The editors would be nice, particularly the map editor, and maybe a practical explanation of route and waypoint planning, as those were things it took me a while to figure out.

    Vehicle specific commander/Gunner video tutorials would be nice, in the style of the Chieftain's videos on the M1 and M60

    Having those for some of the less popular vehicles, or ones with obscure fire controls that don't have very informative wiki pages like the CV90NL would be good

    The one thing I could never figure out is a non-clunky way to create a route path in a real time mission but not have the vehicle start to follow it immediately

    Or to have multiple units start moving at once

  3. This may be helpful to you.  




    If possible. I recommend you to join to Kanium's multiplayer session.  There are many people from Denmark I believe.  And I am in understanding that they have game later today.



    Also I would follow this topic on the forums



  4. Before you ask.. as I understand it. Simulation is in small pieces that those can fit to cd/dvd  and more easy to download on places with terrible interned connections.    Not convenient but manageable.  Updates usually come in convenient form of small patch that is downloaded separately and have own installer. 


    Also future updates to maps  works that you download  


    SB Pro Maps Download Manager

    This tool is used to get maps from the eSimGames map server.  If you have any previous versions installed, please uninstall them before installing V19.

    SB Pro Map Tools v19


    And (as I have understood it) with new map ID given or found from forums you download map you are looking for that didn't come with base package.


    This map tools part is not necessary for testing though, only if you want to play new missions that use map that you do not already have.  

  5. To try SB  you need to..  to download all the necessary things to run the sim. 


    All the map parts. Yes all  these you install one time only. These are separate thing but sim needs these to work.


    SB Pro PE Maps Installer – to install, download all the archives below to the same folder, along with the maps installer executable.  Then run the maps installer executable once all the files have finished downloading,.

    Maps Installer Part 1A

    Maps Installer Part 1B

    Maps Installer Part 1C

    Maps Installer Part 2A

    Maps Installer Part 2B

    Maps Installer Part 2C

    Maps Installer Part 3A

    Maps Installer Part 3B

    Maps Installer Part 3C

    Maps Installer Executable


    Install actual sim.


    SB Pro PE 4.162 Installer

    The RELEASE NOTES are available.

    Download each part below, and once all downloads are complete, double click the part 1 exe to start the install process.  Please ensure you have uninstalled previous versions of SB Pro PE first.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

    Part 4

    Part 5

    Part 6


    If you just want to try it out. You would need to buy a time limited licence.   Or ask  someone to loan you licence temporarily  (That person needs to be online for it to work. I can do that and many others too I am sure.)


    If you want the sim.  Then either go for 1 Year SB Pro PE Time-Limited License.  Or buy Steel Beasts Pro PE Classic License

  6. Chees that is cramped from inside.      I  guess this is video you refer to?      And As said.  I had no knowledge, I just read the text and assumed too much, sorry about that I'm glad that I was corrected right away.  I gotta ask the museum staff about it next time when I visit there.  



  7. 1 minute ago, Maj.Hans said:

    I think that museum has incorrect "information"!


    T-54, T-55, and T-62 never had an auto loader in the original design!  All loading on those vehicles was manual!

    I have understood that it was manual loading mechanically assisted or something of sort...     Hence on t55  and T62  turret will stop turning and (if I don't remember wrong) gun will point up when loading.

  8. In the book there was mention that Russia didn't even offer never better heat rounds for sale.  They offered only those with up to same penetration as offered sabot rounds.  


    Also. Finland actually did try to buy equipment from pretty much everywhere.   It was our major policy at the time to purchace things internationally from any country that would have equipment that would fit to our needs and conditions and most importantly... bugged.


    For example we wanted to buy British centurions but those were not sold for us.  And when we bough  Charioteers and comet's instead..  hoping to be able to upgrade those with better guns later on.  Such gun was not for sale for us.


    In short...  we bough from where we could, and what we could.  trying to get best that would work for us and fit our bugged.  For long time..  it ended up to be Soviet union, but it was never meant to be only source.  


    I will likely read these books and after that  I hopefully will be able to tell better why things ended up being as it was. 


    6 hours ago, Ssnake said:

    Last time I visited a barracks in Finland, I was shown a StuG III. I don't believe you throw anything away.


    Hah...  you would be amazed how long those lasted in service :D  


    According to books...  I saw mention that  usually  we purchased some extra vehicles to cannibalize for spare parts.  And we did try to do as much repairs and upgrades ourself as possible.  Even for Stug  we tried to re-rubberize those roadwheels..  but that didn't work out so in the end those were considered for wartime service  because those road wheels would not have lasted in "training"


    As  towards end..  when vehicles start breaking up..  more and more will be cannibalized for spares.   As long as ammunition is capable to kill expected enemy targets.  When that is no longer true,  vehicles will be tried to find secondary  roles..   as recovery  vehicle or platform for anti aircraft guns.   When that no longer is possible..   vehicles will end up to be targets on shooting range and later melted for scrap metal.    Some will likely be saved for museum or memorials "statue like"  roles.  Usually empty hulls.  Our Museum though has plenty of vehicles that can be driven on their own power. 



    BTW...  I found really interesting piece of text from our museum...    This 100 TK  is  T-55 Turret...  intended for our coastal defense. And what makes this even more interesting is..  that same  Depot that did T-55 Modernisation and maintenance  also did all these and maintenance to these..   So...  I kind of wonder.  Was reloading in our T-55s  changed from mechanical to manual as well?  



  9. Well... Sources I referred here on last couple of my post were from internet forums and from users I do not know... And would not blindly trust either. Soo there is that too. Also M-1000 could be... Finnish designation on it or so... I did see mention of Mecar there though.


    And how... Eeer... I guess reading all these books thoroughly could reveal it. What little I did read there was some really... Fancy ways of getting even adequate armor at that time because some nation's did not trust Finland because of Soviet / Russian proximity and poor information security. It was considered possible that secrets given would leak to unwanted hands and hence many sales of vehicles and possible upgrades of FCS or gun were denied because of that. Quite similar likely as how Soviet Union / Russia refused to sell some of their equipment or ammunition at times. And we're often it seemed to be political tool as well. But how did we get that ammunition... I have no idea... Yet.  I'm curious though, so perhaps further reading will reveal that. 


    Also on the forum I found lot of this stuff there was claim that Finland still has 9 T-55m (Fin) at use based on statistics publicly shown on Finnish Defense Forces site. And some of those were seen in exercise in 2016.


    There are many other wild claims.. too that I just do not buy at this point but history will reveal if those were or weren't true. 

  10. T55m  (FIN)   Gunners controls  




    https://ylilauta.org/sota/74651036#no95571871  Interesting post claiming that Finnish T-55 had better firecontrol than Leopard 2A4...  automatic target tracking and very fast calculations..   but old "stabilization"  meaning that shooting from move wasn't accurate.   But once stopped, its claimed to be top quality.       Though... I am bit suspicious of that claim...



    Ooh  here I found ammunition information.  https://ylilauta.org/sota/74651036#no115562517

    Myös T-55M:n belgialainen M-1000 -ampumatarvike osoittautui paremmaksi läpäisyssään kuin T-72M1:n teräsnuolinen 3BM18. M-1000 kun läpäisee vielä 2 kilometrissä 350 mm, mutta 3BM18 vain 290 mm.


    So apparently T-55  used Belgium  Sabot round   M-1000    that has penetration of 350mm  in 2km distance.

    And T-72  used  3BM18. M-1000  (Steel arrow)  that penetrates 290mm in 2km distance. 




    Here is a video of Modified finnish t-72 prototype..  


  11. I found from interned discussion  that was related to T-72  a following comment.


    "Päivitys PV:n vaatimalle tasolle olisi maksanut paljon (siinä oli mm. koko etupanssaroinnin uusinta), ja lisäksi Venäjä kieltäytyi myymästä parhaita nuoliammuksiaan vaunuihin. Suomalaisten piti tyytyä export-mallisiin ammuksiin, joissa oli vähemmän panssarinläpäisyä kuin viime vuoden loppuun asti käytössä olleiden T-55M FIN -vaunujen belgialaisissa nuoliammuksissa."


    In short it says..  Russia refused to sell Finland their better ammunition for T-72 and Apparently T-55 latest sabot ammo from Belgium was better than "Export  (non russian)" ammunition used in our t-72s


    Found same info from this PDF document..

    https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/172850/Ylijohdon_reservi-Petteri-Jouko.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y   Page 223

  12. On 2/8/2020 at 4:30 AM, Maj.Hans said:

    but I also want to ask the same of the T-72s, what would they have had them loaded with at the end of their career?

    This book says  that T-72 ammunition  had speed roughly 1800 m/s

    and penetration of  650-800  depending of type of ammunition.     Perhaps that helps a bit.   


    Also there is interesting mention that at same time  with T72s  being purchased from east german (and other armor vehicles)  there was as well massive purchases from china...    makes me wonder...  could it be ammunition for T-72s?  As I am not aware that Finland would have bough actual vehicles from China.. so it has to be something else.

  13. 8 hours ago, Ssnake said:

    Around which year did the modernization start?

    According to  "Tank maintenance depo history" book I have.   Prototypes and testing for modernisation was made between 1986-1988.  And actual modernization during  years 1989-1993

  14. okay.. I found what you are looking for..  i think.


    Finland uses default  T-54  and T-55 tanks..   and  those were modernised and renamed in Finland  as  T-55 M  and  T-55 MK (command version with additional radio) versions.     Later  in the book I get number   60 T-55M   tanks.   (so not that many but I guess  many enough) 


    Changes were following.. this according to tank maintenance depot book I have  


    - New Fire control system manufactured by Bofors.  Includes abilities for  Lead, inclination of own tank and most effects of environment  (no mention of specifics  i assume it means temperature and air pressure etc)

    - New gunner optic that includes improved night fighting ability with Light intensifier based night-vision

    - Lighting grenade launcher  and Smoke grenade launchers

    - Tracks with "rubber" joints ?

    -  Stowage boxes to turret

    - Xenon spotlight

    - Thermal shroud for main-gun barrel

    - Rotating hatch for loader with 12.7mm antiaircraft machine-gun 


    I understand that later Finland bough 10x T-55A tank hulls from Poland to be changed to SPAA tanks   "T-55AM-Marksman"   




    This may be useful.. although numbers don't quite add up..  also  I have never ever heard Finland having  Leopard-1!!!    We have hulls of those in some bridge layers..  but that's it.  So that it total mystery to me if that is true.

  15. I'll try to start reading those 2-3 books... That may reveal more of our T-55s and upgrades, ammo and why we kept those. as I'm kinda interested of this myself too. But.. I cannot promise anything. As my life currently is a bit of mess due to many reasons. 


    I believe that real reason why we kept T-55s was that when those needed and received modernization when we were able to afford it. t72s.. fell in bad timing... They were good enough.. and not bad enough to be upgraded and then we got offer of used German Leopard 2a4s... That were much better than any upgrades for t-72 and at same time.. upgrading t72s would have been too costly in comparison to performance difference to leos ...  And at the time..  our upgraded T-55s were better for our needs that 72s.. so go figure. 

  16. What little I was able to find from net in Finnish says that Finnish T-55s  got Ballistic computer,  Laser-ranger finder, thermal shroud for gun And most importantly  Night vision based on light intensifier as in western vehicles.   No armor ugprades, and as I understand it... original ammo?   Reason why we kept T-55s  seems to be night vision and ballistic computer...  Unless... we got ammo from somewhere that was better than on t-72  but of that i have no clues.  I do suspect there may have been other reasons too  (namely fact that t55 has loader) 


    Hah... i actually have  2  books that could reveal all things you wish..  but I have never read those..   I probably should..  LOL  

  17. 32 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

    You're giving up the squad's MG however, if you create two RPG teams.

    Well...  it is possible to delete existing vehicle dismounts..  and to have..  say..  1x riffle team  (4 members)  divided two..   to have double AT weapons...   and to add  MG  as another team  to vehicle.  Downside however is..  That vehicle squads no longer work as intended..  also naming of units gets really funny.   It kind of works..  but I would not recommend it.  

  18. 3 hours ago, ChrisWerb said:

    By the way, the combination of bumpy terrain and more aggressive (vs armour) infantry in the latest version is a vast improvement. I just wish we had the option to decide scale of issue of LAWs within infantry sections/teams so you don't just have the one RPG guy when you can see other's in the team carrying disposable LAWs that are only set-dressing at the moment.

    Btw..  there is kind of work around for this too that "May" work on some situations if you want to tinker and test how it would be..   (With vehicle carried dismounts it messes symbol menu (next to compass) for troops and even vehicles of that unit!!!)


    Spawn new infantry squad   and you can divide it to two.   Both half's can be set to carry RPG.    So  in the end squad has 2  men's able to fire RPG 


    Other solution is to simply use "attach to"   with that you can add infantry units to even vehicles if there is space for troops to be attached.   as many squads or individuals as you want or more precisely, fits inside the vehicle. 

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