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  1. Israeli Armor Corps promotional film from the mid-'70s: 0:00-5:12: M60 'slick' MBTs in the Sinai, of the 500th armored brigade. In the summer of 1974, these ex-US army M60s replaced the Centurions (Shot Cals) that had been used by the 500th during the 1973 war, while the Centurions were re-assigned to other units in northern Israel. 5:12-8:37: the speaker, among other new conscripts, is sent to the Armor School and undergoes basic training. 8:37-13:02: tank crewmember training, in the classroom, firing range and in the field. 13:32-14:48: tanker training graduation ceremony at Masada, taking the warrior's oath. Speech by Moshe Peled, Armor Corps CG 1974-1979 (146th armored division CO in 1973). 14:48-16:48: tank crew, platoon and company training in the Sinai, alongside mechanized infantry. 16:48-20:55: tanker service life in different locations. 20:55-22:06: the speaker is interviewed and leaves for TC course. 22:06-23:00: TC course (the classroom part). 23:00-23:50: TC course graduation ceremony in the Sinai.
  2. 1 meter/sec is about 2 knots. The Sagger missile is slower than a jet fighter, but also much smaller of course. In two cases during the 1973 war, Syrian Styx anti-ship missiles (much faster than the Sagger, but also bigger) were shot down by .50 cal fire from Israeli Sa'ar missile boats.
  3. The Austrians acquired M60A1s and later upgraded them to A3. Didn't all of them got TTS? Do they still have M60A1s in the original configuration? I was under the impression that all non-TTS M60A3s were retrofitted with TTS by the mid-'80s.
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    T72

    Yes for the T-72, but no for the T-54/55/62. Not sure about the M48. https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/01/t-54.html https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/12/t-72-part-2.html#fuel_tanks
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    T72

    Note the penetration hole on the gun mantlet http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GPxgMYMVgnY/Utcd70-IOsI/AAAAAAAABMo/WsrTbdrR7xk/s1600/t_62.jpg
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    T72

    Another example, an Egyptian T-62 destroyed while carrying Diesel fuel drums
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    T72

    Not just for visuals. A tank carrying fuel drums might catch fire easily, even from artillery or small arms fire. During the 1967 war, gasoline drums carried on Jordanian M48s were used as aiming points for Israeli M50 Shermans and AML-90s, after they failed to penetrate the M48's armor. Diesel fuel is less flammable than gasoline, but still it's better for the T-xx to remove the fuel drums before going into battle.
  8. The Egyptians made wide use of simulators. See 13:39 in the video I posted on another thread:
  9. Pontoon bridge as one of the bridge models
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    We love photos

    More pictures by the same photographer: SU-100 Soft-skin convoy M3 halftrack mounting a DEFA D921 90 mm AT gun SA-321K Super Frelon T-34/85 in the Banias stream ex-Jordanian Land Rover, captured in the Chiftlik on June 7th, pressed into IDF service, destroyed near the Banias stream on June 10th Shot (20 pounder)
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    "Sagger drill"

    Correction and details, according to an official IDF report from August 1973: The aforementioned skirmishes occurred between November 1972 and February 1973. There were 3 major skirmishes, on November 9th, November 21st and January 9th. Both sides employed tanks (Shot Cal vs. T-54 and SU-100), artillery and fighter jets. The Syrians also employed AT guns and, for the first time, Sagger ATGMs (which the IDF have already met in the Suez Canal in 1970). All in all, 3 Israeli tanks were hit by Saggers (additional ones were hit by other munitions). The first Sagger launch was spotted by the IDF during the November 21st skirmish, near Stronghold 105 in the northern Golan Heights sector. Following intelligence reports, the IDF had prepared for a wider use of Saggers towards the January 9th skirmish. One tank in every platoon was appointed as a 'missile observer' and the Syrian positions were to be pounded with artillery fire. During the January 9th skirmish, the Syrians launched around 30 Saggers in the northern sector and some 6-7 in the southern sector. Two Israeli tanks were hit by Saggers: In the northern sector, near Stronghold 105, tank no. 814142 was scratched in the rear hull. Shown on page 53. In the southern sector, near Stronghold 115, tank no. 814152 was penetrated in the gun mantlet. The gunner was lightly injured and the main gun went inoperative. Shown on page 55. Unexploded missile remnants are shown on page 57. Lastly, a minor skirmish occurred on February 15th, during which 5 Saggers were launched in the southern sector (from around Abdin) and one Israeli tank was hit. The biscuit box mounted on the tank's front hull was destroyed.
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    "Sagger drill"

    'The Tank Hunter', a short Egyptian propaganda movie: Following the Six Day War, the Egyptian conscripts, most of whom were illiterate peasants (fallahin), had been criticized for their alleged inability to operate advanced weapons. This movie, filmed after the Yom Kippur War, glorifies the Egyptian fallahin who were trained to operate the AT-3 Sagger missile and did so successfully in combat. The soldiers interviewed are from the 112th infantry brigade, 16th infantry division, 2nd field army. Among the destroyed Israeli tanks shown in the movie, the M60A1 is identifiable by its turret number, 8134, seen on 1:21. It's tank no. 817697, that belonged to the 2nd platoon leader, L company, 410th battalion, 600th armored brigade, 143rd armored division. This tank was destroyed around here on the afternoon of October 9th 1973, while attacking the entrenched Egyptian 112th infantry brigade troops. The gunner and the driver were captured by the Egyptians. The platoon leader and the loader were killed and their remains were found near the tank on February 1974, when the Israeli army scanned the Egyptian-held area for MIAs (following the January 1974 disengagement agreement). BTW, a simulator for the Sagger missile did exist, mounted on a ZiL-157 truck. See 13:39 in the movie. Several such simulators were captured by the Israeli army during the war and were put into use along with the captured Sagger missiles.
  13. Footage taken in the early morning hours of October 16th 1973, showing the Cylinder Bridge being towed by 257th battalion tanks: Among the AFVs seen are M48A3s, M113s, halftracks (some with 20 mm AA guns), Shermans with dozer blades and a Sherman hull with a mine plow. These unique Sherman versions were fielded by the 606th armored assault engineer battalion, as opposed to the M50 and M51 Sherman MBTs fielded by the few remaining tank battalions still equipped with Shermans. The moustached officer seen briefing his men at the start of the video is Colonel Haim Erez, the 421st armored brigade CO. As the Cylinder Bridge broke down shortly after this footage was taken, the 257th battalion was sent to battle while the bridge repair lasted for some 6 hours. However, the breakdown didn't matter much, since the road designated for the Cylinder Bridge was still blocked by Egyptian 16th infantry brigade troops. Eventually, after days of heavy fighting, the Egyptians retreated on the night of October 17th-18th, the Cylinder Bridge was towed by the 410th battalion on October 18th and launched on the night of October 18th-19th. By that time, most Israeli forces planned to cross the Suez Canal have already crossed it, starting aboard Gillois amphibious tank carriers on the night of October 15th-16th and, since October 17th, on a full bridge made of Uniflote pontoons.
  14. Footage taken in the summer of 1972, showing IDF Shot Cals training with the Cylinder Bridge in the lake created by the Ruaf'a Dam in the Sinai Peninsula. The footage seems to have been cropped from this short film: When the IDF had to cross the Suez Canal in the 1973 war, none of the two tank companies trained to tow the Cylinder Bridge was available: M company of the 9th armored battalion (Magach 3 - M48A3, 105 mm) was wiped-out on the first day of the war near Mifreqet stronghold, A company of the 82nd armored battalion (Shot Cal - Centurion, 105 mm, Diesel) was defending Mazra'at Beit Jinn in the Israeli bulge in Syria under the 1st infantry brigade. Instead, the Cylinder Bridge was towed by reserve tankers from the 257th (Magach 3) and 410th (Magach 6A - M60A1) armored battalions, who hastily trained with it during the war. The Ruaf'a Dam was built in Wadi Al-Arish, which drains the rain water from the mountains of the central Sinai into the Mediterranean. The area was captured by the IDF 3 times, in 1948, 1956 and 1967. The October 29th 1956 battle of the Ruaf'a Dam, during which A company of the 82nd battalion captured a heavily-defended Egyptian compound (Archer tank destroyers, 17 pound and 57 mm AT guns) despite suffering heavy losses, is considered the foundation stone of the Israeli Armor Corps. In the 1956 war, A/82 was the only company equipped with the most advanced IDF tank, the M50 Sherman (French 75 mm), which was designed to counter the Soviet T-34/85 supplied to Egypt. The company CO was Moshe Bar-Kokhva, who became famous for his stirring leadership and later served as the 45th mechanized infantry brigade CO in 1967 and as the 210th armored division XO in 1973. A reenactment of the battle, probably from 1968: After 1967, the lake created by the dam was one of the sites used by the IDF for water obstacle crossing training. The last training exercise there took place in 1981, shortly before the area was returned back to Egypt. Some of the reserve tankers who took part in the last training at the Ruaf'a Dam were veterans of the 1973 crossing. The background picture on pages 136-137 in this Israeli Armor bulletin was probably taken during that training (note the crossing M60s have ERA).
  15. An ex-Syrian 115 mm APFSDS round captured in 1973:
  16. Never heard about a full-caliber 115 mm AP, referring to the story about the Egyptian T-62s in the 24th minute. In 1973, the Egyptian and Syrian T-62s were captured with APFSDS, HEAT and HE-Frag rounds. The T-62 could easily penetrate any tank in IDF inventory from medium range. That was also true in 1982, except for the few Merkavas (which weren't immune either). At least the BM-3 did have 115 mm fins. Captured T-62s (named Tiran 6), with their original 115 mm guns, served the IDF from 1973 until the early '90s. Some of the captured T-62s were sent to the US (and to others) for testing. A 115 mm APFSDS is shown at 10:20 in the following video: The T-54/55s and SU-100s captured in 1973 had APDS, HEAT, APHE and HE-Frag. However, AFAIK the tanks captured in 1967 had only APHE and HE-Frag rounds. Perhaps, somehow, the full-caliber 115 mm AP story has evolved from the lack of 100 mm APDS and HEAT rounds in the Egyptian army in 1967. Also, referring to the story in the 8th minute about the 5th Sherman crewmember, AFAIK the IDF Sherman crew remained always 5. BTW, a M-50 Sherman was also restored by the same guys: An additional video showing the restored T-62: Lastly, a T-62 captured in Lebanon with the same blue and yellow tactical markings.
  17. 1. They have a YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwgOYMBdQTz1BfbzH5OoHgg 2. Same tank (IDF registration 130758) in 1982, as fresh war booty:
  18. No idea what are these reports based on. The IDF engaged very few T-72s for a very short period of time (opened fire only 10 minutes before the ceasefire, AFAIK), ambushing them from a distance, thus all T-72s remained in Syrian hands and only they and their Soviet patrons know how effective was the T-72's armor. Did anyone ever get any reliable information from them? The following article, written by Israelis in Russian, sums-up the reliable sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20080915064512/http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/t72-myth/index.html The Syrian T-72s were ambushed while moving SW in the Beqa'a Valley on the road between Sa'alouk and Amick. These weren't T-72A, but the export version of the earliest model, the one with the searchlight on the left. Most T-72s were hit by TOW missiles (of the earliest model, BGM-71A) launched from M151 jeeps. If any T-72s were hit by Israeli tank fire, the firing tanks were surely Centurions (Shot Cal Bet). No M60s nor Merkavas participated this battle. IAF AH-1 Cobras also claimed some kills. At night, the IDF had planned to tow the leading T-72's wreck, which was located (in pieces) in no-man's-land just 800 meters from the Israeli positions, and even crafted a special wagon for it. However, the towing operation was aborted and instead SOF were sent to examine the wreck. One could learn about the T-72's armor performance against 105 mm rounds from the fact that the Soviets up-armored the T-72's front hull following tests carried-out with IMI M111 rounds, which were captured during the Sultan Ya'acoub battle on board of IDF M48A3s. See the difference between T-72M and T-72M1. After the war, to gratitude the Syrians for the captured Israeli M111 and ERA, the Soviets exclusively supplied Syria with T-72A tanks from Soviet army stocks, as opposed to the monkey models usually supplied to WP countries and all other Soviet allies. It was the only time during the Cold War that a Soviet Army version of the T-72 was supplied to a foreign army. AFAIK, the T-72A tanks were issued to the Syrian Republican Guard. The 120 mm gun was eventually accepted into IDF service only in 1990, with the Merkava Mk. 3, when the combined T-72 fleet of the Syrian and Iraqi armies was over 2,000 vehicle strong. However, there were other means to handle that threat.
  19. The Hind needs a tracked opponent that might be found useful also in urban warfare
  20. The current scenario design process is very time consuming and at the end of it the designer knows everything about the OPFOR and its plan. That suits military training, where an instructor can spend time on detailed design and then run one scenario for multiple trainees, all of whom are unfamiliar with it. The PE players, OTOH, don't always have the time for detailed planning and often there is a limit to how many times a SP scenario can be re-played without losing interest. ORBAT randomization and autonomous planning can make the design process quicker and make the scenario vary every time. The designer could be able to optionally set the scenario concept just in general lines, for example: OPFOR is company-strong mechanized infantry, its task is to defend that objective, deployment zone is this, available AFV types are BMP-1 and BMP-2, etc. Then, randomly, AI could set the exact number of platoons, choosing either BMP-1s or BMP-2s, place them in the deployment zone, set battle positions, waypoints, routes based on terrain analysis, etc. Of course, such a random planning algorithm would be complex to implement, as a low-complexity algorithm might occasionally make the OPFOR act unreasonably. However, for PE SP needs, imperfect planning may be sufficient, considering the benefits in time saving, scenario variation and cutting the player's preliminary knowledge of the OPFOR.
  21. I had a similar case, quite a long time ago. When assaulting a T-80U platoon hiding in the woods just 500 meters away, the AI saw fit to turn the M1A1 turrets to the rear and engage a lone BMP-1 in a hull-down position at 2000 meters range. That BMP was pretty passive, didn't launch a single Sagger, but the T-80s were more potent and soon the whole M1A1 platoon was wiped out.
  22. Egyptian military parade, mid-'70s 0:37-0:55, 1:20-1:42: captured Israeli M48A3s, halftracks 2:32-2:53, 5:26-6:38: BTR-50s, OT-62s 4:49-5:23: paratroopers and commandos 6:38-7:03: BMP-1s 7:03-7:56: T-54s, some mounting a searchlight box 7:56-8:09: T-62s 8:09-8:13: T-55s 8:16-8:37: GAZ-69 jeeps, some mounting AT-1 Shmel ATGMs 8:38-8:43: BRDM-2s mounting AT-3 Sagger ATGMs 8:46-9:44: towed artillery pieces, BM-21s 10:46-11:09: PMP pontoons 11:29-11:42: K-61, PTS amphibious transport vehicles 11:45-11:53: GSP ferries 13:02-14:52: SA-2s, SA-3s, ZSU-23-4s, SA-6s
  23. 'Kitbash Mode' in customer hands might result in unrealistic combinations being created, but in eSim hands it may be utilized to quickly model many different vehicle variants that exist in reality. Almost every vehicle had several variants, modifications and upgrades along the years, relating to the main gun, machine guns, tracks, roadwheels, engine deck, air cleaner, fenders, lights, add-on armor, turret basket, thermal sleeve, smoke grenade discharges, etc. The T-62 in Israeli service was named Tiran 6 and it retained the original Soviet 115 mm gun. AFAIK there was just one prototype re-armed with a 105 mm gun. Tiran 4 and Tiran 5 were the names given to the T-54 and the T-55 respectively. These were indeed re-armed with 105 mm guns. AFAIK a few are still in service with the army of Uruguay. T-54/55 MBTs were re-armed with 105 mm guns also in China, India, Egypt.
  24. A decade before 'The Beast of War' and 'Rambo 3', IDF Tiran 5 MBTs were used to depict Egyptian T-55s in 'My Mother the General', an Israeli comedy film whose plot takes place in the post-1973-war Sinai frontline. See 1:05:45, 1:10:31-1:11:10 and 1:12:10 in the following video: Despite the Sinai was still in Israeli hands at the time, the filming of 'My Mother the General' took place near Arad, where the Judaean Desert meets the Negev Desert, next to a real-world armor training exercise. Centurions (Shot Cal B version), M113s and even M-50 SPHs are also seen in use, by the Israeli side, but, although the main character is named 'Zelda', the AFVs' role in this film in no larger than in 'Rambo', nothing like 'The Beast of War'. Note the ERA attachment bolts are visible on the Centurions (1:04:55 for example), while the ERA blocks themselves are missing, since ERA was still classified back then. IDF MBTs sporting ERA blocks were first seen publicly during the 1982 war in Lebanon.
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