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  1. An ex-Syrian 115 mm APFSDS round captured in 1973:
  2. Never heard about a full-caliber 115 mm AP, referring to the story about the Egyptian T-62s in the 24th minute. In 1973, the Egyptian and Syrian T-62s were captured with APFSDS, HEAT and HE-Frag rounds. The T-62 could easily penetrate any tank in IDF inventory from medium range. That was also true in 1982, except for the few Merkavas (which weren't immune either). At least the BM-3 did have 115 mm fins. Captured T-62s (named Tiran 6), with their original 115 mm guns, served the IDF from 1973 until the early '90s. Some of the captured T-62s were sent to the US (and to others) for testing. A 115 mm APFSDS is shown at 10:20 in the following video: The T-54/55s and SU-100s captured in 1973 had APDS, HEAT, APHE and HE-Frag. However, AFAIK the tanks captured in 1967 had only APHE and HE-Frag rounds. Perhaps, somehow, the full-caliber 115 mm AP story has evolved from the lack of 100 mm APDS and HEAT rounds in the Egyptian army in 1967. Also, referring to the story in the 8th minute about the 5th Sherman crewmember, AFAIK the IDF Sherman crew remained always 5. BTW, a M-50 Sherman was also restored by the same guys: An additional video showing the restored T-62: Lastly, a T-62 captured in Lebanon with the same blue and yellow tactical markings.
  3. 1. They have a YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwgOYMBdQTz1BfbzH5OoHgg 2. Same tank (IDF registration 130758) in 1982, as fresh war booty:
  4. No idea what are these reports based on. The IDF engaged very few T-72s for a very short period of time (opened fire only 10 minutes before the ceasefire, AFAIK), ambushing them from a distance, thus all T-72s remained in Syrian hands and only they and their Soviet patrons know how effective was the T-72's armor. Did anyone ever get any reliable information from them? The following article, written by Israelis in Russian, sums-up the reliable sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20080915064512/http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/t72-myth/index.html The Syrian T-72s were ambushed while moving SW in the Beqa'a Valley on the road between Sa'alouk and Amick. These weren't T-72A, but the export version of the earliest model, the one with the searchlight on the left. Most T-72s were hit by TOW missiles (of the earliest model, BGM-71A) launched from M151 jeeps. If any T-72s were hit by Israeli tank fire, the firing tanks were surely Centurions (Shot Cal Bet). No M60s nor Merkavas participated this battle. IAF AH-1 Cobras also claimed some kills. At night, the IDF had planned to tow the leading T-72's wreck, which was located (in pieces) in no-man's-land just 800 meters from the Israeli positions, and even crafted a special wagon for it. However, the towing operation was aborted and instead SOF were sent to examine the wreck. One could learn about the T-72's armor performance against 105 mm rounds from the fact that the Soviets up-armored the T-72's front hull following tests carried-out with IMI M111 rounds, which were captured during the Sultan Ya'acoub battle on board of IDF M48A3s. See the difference between T-72M and T-72M1. After the war, to gratitude the Syrians for the captured Israeli M111 and ERA, the Soviets exclusively supplied Syria with T-72A tanks from Soviet army stocks, as opposed to the monkey models usually supplied to WP countries and all other Soviet allies. It was the only time during the Cold War that a Soviet Army version of the T-72 was supplied to a foreign army. AFAIK, the T-72A tanks were issued to the Syrian Republican Guard. The 120 mm gun was eventually accepted into IDF service only in 1990, with the Merkava Mk. 3, when the combined T-72 fleet of the Syrian and Iraqi armies was over 2,000 vehicle strong. However, there were other means to handle that threat.
  5. The Hind needs a tracked opponent that might be found useful also in urban warfare
  6. The current scenario design process is very time consuming and at the end of it the designer knows everything about the OPFOR and its plan. That suits military training, where an instructor can spend time on detailed design and then run one scenario for multiple trainees, all of whom are unfamiliar with it. The PE players, OTOH, don't always have the time for detailed planning and often there is a limit to how many times a SP scenario can be re-played without losing interest. ORBAT randomization and autonomous planning can make the design process quicker and make the scenario vary every time. The designer could be able to optionally set the scenario concept just in general lines, for example: OPFOR is company-strong mechanized infantry, its task is to defend that objective, deployment zone is this, available AFV types are BMP-1 and BMP-2, etc. Then, randomly, AI could set the exact number of platoons, choosing either BMP-1s or BMP-2s, place them in the deployment zone, set battle positions, waypoints, routes based on terrain analysis, etc. Of course, such a random planning algorithm would be complex to implement, as a low-complexity algorithm might occasionally make the OPFOR act unreasonably. However, for PE SP needs, imperfect planning may be sufficient, considering the benefits in time saving, scenario variation and cutting the player's preliminary knowledge of the OPFOR.
  7. I had a similar case, quite a long time ago. When assaulting a T-80U platoon hiding in the woods just 500 meters away, the AI saw fit to turn the M1A1 turrets to the rear and engage a lone BMP-1 in a hull-down position at 2000 meters range. That BMP was pretty passive, didn't launch a single Sagger, but the T-80s were more potent and soon the whole M1A1 platoon was wiped out.
  8. Egyptian military parade, mid-'70s 0:37-0:55, 1:20-1:42: captured Israeli M48A3s, halftracks 2:32-2:53, 5:26-6:38: BTR-50s, OT-62s 4:49-5:23: paratroopers and commandos 6:38-7:03: BMP-1s 7:03-7:56: T-54s, some mounting a searchlight box 7:56-8:09: T-62s 8:09-8:13: T-55s 8:16-8:37: GAZ-69 jeeps, some mounting AT-1 Shmel ATGMs 8:38-8:43: BRDM-2s mounting AT-3 Sagger ATGMs 8:46-9:44: towed artillery pieces, BM-21s 10:46-11:09: PMP pontoons 11:29-11:42: K-61, PTS amphibious transport vehicles 11:45-11:53: GSP ferries 13:02-14:52: SA-2s, SA-3s, ZSU-23-4s, SA-6s
  9. 'Kitbash Mode' in customer hands might result in unrealistic combinations being created, but in eSim hands it may be utilized to quickly model many different vehicle variants that exist in reality. Almost every vehicle had several variants, modifications and upgrades along the years, relating to the main gun, machine guns, tracks, roadwheels, engine deck, air cleaner, fenders, lights, add-on armor, turret basket, thermal sleeve, smoke grenade discharges, etc. The T-62 in Israeli service was named Tiran 6 and it retained the original Soviet 115 mm gun. AFAIK there was just one prototype re-armed with a 105 mm gun. Tiran 4 and Tiran 5 were the names given to the T-54 and the T-55 respectively. These were indeed re-armed with 105 mm guns. AFAIK a few are still in service with the army of Uruguay. T-54/55 MBTs were re-armed with 105 mm guns also in China, India, Egypt.
  10. A decade before 'The Beast of War' and 'Rambo 3', IDF Tiran 5 MBTs were used to depict Egyptian T-55s in 'My Mother the General', an Israeli comedy film whose plot takes place in the post-1973-war Sinai frontline. See 1:05:45, 1:10:31-1:11:10 and 1:12:10 in the following video: Despite the Sinai was still in Israeli hands at the time, the filming of 'My Mother the General' took place near Arad, where the Judaean Desert meets the Negev Desert, next to a real-world armor training exercise. Centurions (Shot Cal B version), M113s and even M-50 SPHs are also seen in use, by the Israeli side, but, although the main character is named 'Zelda', the AFVs' role in this film in no larger than in 'Rambo', nothing like 'The Beast of War'. Note the ERA attachment bolts are visible on the Centurions (1:04:55 for example), while the ERA blocks themselves are missing, since ERA was still classified back then. IDF MBTs sporting ERA blocks were first seen publicly during the 1982 war in Lebanon.
  11. Yes, you are correct. The term 'NATO Standard Sight' does not relate to one specific sight reticule, but to any sight that its reticule markings correspond to NATO mils. https://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=NATO_Standard_Sights Quote: NATO Standard Sights are sights that adhere to a common measurement, in this case mils, and put markings on the sighting reticules which are used to measure distance of targeted objects as well as provide lead where required. In the Israeli army, however, the M48's reticule, which was also fitted to the Centurion and to the T-54/55, was related to as 'NATO Cross'. The M60A3's reticule was related to as an 'Improved NATO Cross'.
  12. An ex-IDF Tiran 5 is used to depict a Soviet tank also in 'Rambo III', albeit in a much smaller role than in 'The Beast of War'. See 54:22-55:40 in the video: An ex-IDF halftrack (upgraded with a M113A1's Diesel engine following the 1973 war) is also used to depict a Soviet vehicle. The helicopters are not IAF ones, but a flight of four IAF Kfirs is visible on 27:12. AFAIK, both movies were filmed in 1987 in the Judaean Desert. Specifically, 'Rambo III' was filmed a few kms west of Ein Bokek. At least two Israeli actors have played in both movies.
  13. Scale markings of Shot tank's range drum, 1979 Left to right: armor piercing L-28, HESH (also for WP), HEAT, anti personnel (Flechette), coax 7.62 mm, improved armor piercing L-52. Upper left: smoke (HC?); upper right: NATO mils. That's what the M60A3 had. The M60A1 and its predecessors (and the Israeli Centurion) had an earlier version of the NATO Standard Sight: http://www.kotsch88.de/feuerleit/M48/m-48-7-2a.jpg
  14. The aiming reticule currently modeled in SB for the Shot Cal might be suitable for a playable Centurion Mk.5/2 of the British army, but I doubt it was present on Israeli L7-gunned Shot tanks, surely not on Shot Cals. The Israeli Shots were fitted with NATO Standard Sights when they were fitted with L7 guns, for standardization with the newly-acquired M48s. That started in the mid-'60s, several years before the Continental engine was first fitted to the Shot in 1970. The Shot/Shot Cal gunner used a range drum to set the gun elevation after the TC had estimated the range. The range drum had different scale markings (in meters) for each type of round: L-28, L-52, WP, HESH, HEAT, Flechette (following the 1973 war) and coax mg.
  15. Starting at 0:27, footage from the Israeli beach landing operation during the 1982 Lebanon war: https://reuters.screenocean.com/record/1048536 The landing took place near the Awali River estuary, a few kms north of Sidon. The landing craft is an Ashdod-class. Among the AFVs seen in the video are M113s, M60s, M60A1s, Merkava Mk. 1 (2:52), M60 AVLB (3:59), halftracks (4:20). Note the colored air-to-ground IFF sheets (mentioned once before).
  16. AFAIK, no fatalities in this case. Never heard about it. If it did happen, I doubt that this 'military' vehicle was Israeli. It sounds like the OHCHR describes a Hamas vehicle as a 'military' vehicle. Of course Israeli medical evacuation vehicles do not carry photographers.
  17. Medical evacuation M113 hit by 120 mm mortar shell, Ghaza 2014
  18. 1967 war booty lot in Israel: https://jfc.org.il/news_journal/60604-2/96411-2/?lang=eng Among the AFVs shown are SU-100s, T-34/85s, T-54/55s, ZSU-57-2 (0:19 in the video), IS-3 (0:44), M4 Shermans (0:56, some of them are fitted with AMX-13 turrets).
  19. Awful series, huge disappointment. Ridiculous plot and story-lines, bad acting, political bias. The series would just provide the viewer with a totally wrong impression of pretty much everything it tries to depict. Besides, non-Israelis would hardly understand much of it. The tank scenes are very few and unrealistic. The AFVs shown are Shot Cal Gimmel (taken from a monument), Tiran-5 (from Elbit Systems), BTR-152 (from the Latrun Museum exhibition) and M113. Great efforts were made to revive the old Shot Cal, almost 20 years after the last Centurion MBTs were phased out (2002-3). The in-tank scenes were filmed using this Latrun Shot Cal Dalet.
  20. US army in Germany, 1966 M60s, M113s, M88s and Gillois amphibious tank carriers are seen from 3:00 and on.
  21. Really bad series, but there are a few tank scenes: Note that the GPS is the same as in the M48/M60. It was installed on the Israeli Centurions along with the 105mm main gun since the mid-'60s. Unlike the M48/M60, that had an optical rangefinder and a mechanical ballistic computer, the Centurion's main gun was elevated by the gunner using a range drum (which had scale marks for each type of round) after the TC estimated the range.
  22. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears_(TV_Series) Trailer:
  23. Another aspect is that AP hits can be difficult to observe at long range. In Sherman tanks, where a range finder didn't exist, crews used to fire HE rounds first to determine the range, and after scoring a hit they switched to AP.
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