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A decade before 'The Beast of War' and 'Rambo 3', IDF Tiran 5 MBTs were used to depict Egyptian T-55s in 'My Mother the General', an Israeli comedy film whose plot takes place in the post-1973-war Sinai frontline. See 1:05:45, 1:10:31-1:11:10 and 1:12:10 in the following video: Despite the Sinai was still in Israeli hands at the time, the filming of 'My Mother the General' took place near Arad, where the Judaean Desert meets the Negev Desert, next to a real-world armor training exercise. Centurions (Shot Cal B version), M113s and even M-50 SPHs are also seen in use, by the Israeli side, but, although the main character is named 'Zelda', the AFVs' role in this film in no larger than in 'Rambo', nothing like 'The Beast of War'. Note the ERA attachment bolts are visible on the Centurions (1:04:55 for example), while the ERA blocks themselves are missing, since ERA was still classified back then. IDF MBTs sporting ERA blocks were first seen publicly during the 1982 war in Lebanon.
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Yes, you are correct. The term 'NATO Standard Sight' does not relate to one specific sight reticule, but to any sight that its reticule markings correspond to NATO mils. https://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=NATO_Standard_Sights Quote: NATO Standard Sights are sights that adhere to a common measurement, in this case mils, and put markings on the sighting reticules which are used to measure distance of targeted objects as well as provide lead where required. In the Israeli army, however, the M48's reticule, which was also fitted to the Centurion and to the T-54/55, was related to as 'NATO Cross'. The M60A3's reticule was related to as an 'Improved NATO Cross'.
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An ex-IDF Tiran 5 is used to depict a Soviet tank also in 'Rambo III', albeit in a much smaller role than in 'The Beast of War'. See 54:22-55:40 in the video: An ex-IDF halftrack (upgraded with a M113A1's Diesel engine following the 1973 war) is also used to depict a Soviet vehicle. The helicopters are not IAF ones, but a flight of four IAF Kfirs is visible on 27:12. AFAIK, both movies were filmed in 1987 in the Judaean Desert. Specifically, 'Rambo III' was filmed a few kms west of Ein Bokek. At least two Israeli actors have played in both movies.
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Scale markings of Shot tank's range drum, 1979 Left to right: armor piercing L-28, HESH (also for WP), HEAT, anti personnel (Flechette), coax 7.62 mm, improved armor piercing L-52. Upper left: smoke (HC?); upper right: NATO mils. That's what the M60A3 had. The M60A1 and its predecessors (and the Israeli Centurion) had an earlier version of the NATO Standard Sight: http://www.kotsch88.de/feuerleit/M48/m-48-7-2a.jpg
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The aiming reticule currently modeled in SB for the Shot Cal might be suitable for a playable Centurion Mk.5/2 of the British army, but I doubt it was present on Israeli L7-gunned Shot tanks, surely not on Shot Cals. The Israeli Shots were fitted with NATO Standard Sights when they were fitted with L7 guns, for standardization with the newly-acquired M48s. That started in the mid-'60s, several years before the Continental engine was first fitted to the Shot in 1970. The Shot/Shot Cal gunner used a range drum to set the gun elevation after the TC had estimated the range. The range drum had different scale markings (in meters) for each type of round: L-28, L-52, WP, HESH, HEAT, Flechette (following the 1973 war) and coax mg.
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Starting at 0:27, footage from the Israeli beach landing operation during the 1982 Lebanon war: https://reuters.screenocean.com/record/1048536 The landing took place near the Awali River estuary, a few kms north of Sidon. The landing craft is an Ashdod-class. Among the AFVs seen in the video are M113s, M60s, M60A1s, Merkava Mk. 1 (2:52), M60 AVLB (3:59), halftracks (4:20). Note the colored air-to-ground IFF sheets (mentioned once before).
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AFAIK, no fatalities in this case. Never heard about it. If it did happen, I doubt that this 'military' vehicle was Israeli. It sounds like the OHCHR describes a Hamas vehicle as a 'military' vehicle. Of course Israeli medical evacuation vehicles do not carry photographers.
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Medical evacuation M113 hit by 120 mm mortar shell, Ghaza 2014
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1967 war booty lot in Israel: https://jfc.org.il/news_journal/60604-2/96411-2/?lang=eng Among the AFVs shown are SU-100s, T-34/85s, T-54/55s, ZSU-57-2 (0:19 in the video), IS-3 (0:44), M4 Shermans (0:56, some of them are fitted with AMX-13 turrets).
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Awful series, huge disappointment. Ridiculous plot and story-lines, bad acting, political bias. The series would just provide the viewer with a totally wrong impression of pretty much everything it tries to depict. Besides, non-Israelis would hardly understand much of it. The tank scenes are very few and unrealistic. The AFVs shown are Shot Cal Gimmel (taken from a monument), Tiran-5 (from Elbit Systems), BTR-152 (from the Latrun Museum exhibition) and M113. Great efforts were made to revive the old Shot Cal, almost 20 years after the last Centurion MBTs were phased out (2002-3). The in-tank scenes were filmed using this Latrun Shot Cal Dalet.
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US army in Germany, 1966 M60s, M113s, M88s and Gillois amphibious tank carriers are seen from 3:00 and on.
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Really bad series, but there are a few tank scenes: Note that the GPS is the same as in the M48/M60. It was installed on the Israeli Centurions along with the 105mm main gun since the mid-'60s. Unlike the M48/M60, that had an optical rangefinder and a mechanical ballistic computer, the Centurion's main gun was elevated by the gunner using a range drum (which had scale marks for each type of round) after the TC estimated the range.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears_(TV_Series) Trailer:
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t-55 What does "Range" mean in ammunition stats?
Iarmor replied to Lumituisku's topic in General Discussion
Another aspect is that AP hits can be difficult to observe at long range. In Sherman tanks, where a range finder didn't exist, crews used to fire HE rounds first to determine the range, and after scoring a hit they switched to AP. -
IDF first women tank instructors, 1978
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IDF 440th armored division Tiran-5 tanks in desert training, 1976 https://reuters.screenocean.com/record/179460 After the 1973 war, the IDF Tiran fleet was beefed-up from one armored brigade to four. Three of them composed the 440th armored division, which was based at the ex-British camp in the Rafah Gap, and the last one (with Tiran-6 tanks) was based in northern Israel. The tanks are already sporting 105 mm guns and most of them also have rubber fenders (likewise the Bovington Tiran-4 from the previous post), but no external stowage bins on the turret yet. Tank number 130381, seen on 0:58, can be pointed out as 1973 war booty, since these were numbered 130### and 131###, whereas the 1967 war booty tanks (including the ex-Jordanian M48s and Centurions) were numbered 109###.
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Syrian army training (armor in the first 6 minutes) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25th_Special_Mission_Forces_Division
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M48/M60 and T-54/55/62 popped their turrets much more often than Shot Cal. Unlike the others, the Shot Cal had no main gun rounds stored above turret ring. In addition, the original British turret control system was electric, as opposed to the Cadillac Gage hydraulic system on the M48 (A2 and onwards) and M60, which made the Shot Cal Alef (1970) much less flammable. OTOH, the Cadillac Gage system had much superior performance, so the IDF installed it nonetheless on Shot Cal Bet (1975/6). As a result, in the 1982 war the burn injury rates among IDF Centurion crews and among M48/M60 crews were similar, as opposed to the significant difference observed in 1973. M60A1 M48A3 M48A2C
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Ths SU-100 picture in the video at 11:10 was taken near Suez city during the 1973 war. The vehicle is painted with the 3-tone (sand yellow, brown, black) camouflage scheme, the standard scheme of Egyptian army AFVs in 1973. The picture at 10:50 looks genuine from 1956, with an all-yellow paint scheme and a crescent marking. British army Centurions, French army M47s and AMX-13s followed the paratroopers in Port Said: The first and last Israeli combat paratroop drop also took place in the 1956 conflict, at the eastern end of the Mitla Mountain Pass. In later conflicts the planned paratroop drops always got aborted, for being megalomanic or for other reasons. One example is the planned drop of the reserve 55th paratroop brigade at Sharm Ash-Sheikh in 1967, which became unnecessary when 4 AMX-13s and one jeep were landed there from the sea and found that the defenders had already abandoned the place. However, the paratroopers didn't remain frustrated for long, as they were assigned with a much more prestigious mission.
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Not regarding a particular field test in specific conditions, but rather general impression following years of service. Some saw their own tank's tracks being replaced during their service. Others got a brand-new M60A1 RISE instead of a 15-year-old worn-out M60. Of course the IDF did execute many mobility tests for the different types of tanks in service, in many different locations. Generally, the T-54/55/62 prevailed over the western designs. The M48 and M60 with rubber tracks were faster than the Centurion in the Sinai desert, but in rocky terrain the Centurion was far better. For this reason many M60s had their T97/142 tracks replaced with Merkava tracks, starting in the mid-80s. My understanding is that the T142's major advantage over the T97 (which is considerably lighter, BTW) was endurance, not performance.
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I've heard veterans claim that the M48/M60 were actually faster (in desert terrain) with their old T97 tracks than the later M60 versions with T142 tracks. Does anyone have similar experience? The M48A3 looks quite fast in the desert, see 1:00 for example:
