Gunslinger668

I agree with deep fording and operational planning, but preparing a Leopard 2A4, 2A4M, 2A6M CAN tanks for fording up to the top of the turret is extremely simple and only requires the placing of 3 plugs, the flick of 2 switches, a small hand pump and your ready to go (that is where my 2-5 min figure comes from, as I've done it with a crew timed). I am just curious because all that would be required to implement it would be a key combo if possible. Also, from a lot of the SB sces I have played, often players just look for a spot on the terrain where two fingers of land allow for a quick crossing of a river. Implementing a shallow fording (up to and not above the turret) ability would make it a bit for realistic IMO.

Is there any way possible in a future update to add a fording feature of any armoured vehicles that have quick fording capabilities? An example would be the Leopard 2 series with their ability to ford water up to the top of the turret within minimum preparation. (2-5 mins prep time). P.S. I apologize if this has been brought up in this thread before

I can't make it

D-14

I need to cancel, I'll be away from home this weekend

A16

A 1-3 please

The idea that enemy air is going to spot you by observation of a map is sort of laughable. First off, if it's fixed-wing CAS, they are probably flying at around 500ft and doing 250-300 knots. From converstions I have had with pilots, as well as JTACs, it is very hard for CAS to find a target using the most advanced thermal and radar detection gear, and usually they can only easily find units in the open, hence why almost all modern Armies require Joint Air Tactical Controllers. For Helicopters, I bet you'd be hard pressed to find gun-cam footage from any attack helicopter that is shot through a day camera, because once again, they hunt at high altitude with thermal, and last would be UAV/Drone use. From experience, small man-portable drones almost always use thermal to hunt for enemy vehicles, they are equip with day-time camera, but I've only ever heard it used to give very detailed descriptions on TAIs. As for high altitude drones, they hunt with thermal as well. While I won't discount that a recce helicopter, like the Gazelle, could in theory, ID a tank by a TC checking his map, I'd not be suprised if he was quickly knocked out by MG or Main gun fire (Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 tanks could effectively engage helicpters at low level through the use of the lead lock system).

I can't speak for every commander but from my training, I often have my map out. During my Armoued Recce Crew Commander course a common trick was to tie bungee cord around your sight-head (so it's facing you and not on the side of the optic, obviously) and place your map and contact sheet against it so that you can keep track of your position and the battle. Also, during Cbt Team level movement, if your not moving, you might have your map out to track the battle (I have never used a BLUFOR Tracker in my 8 year career and I'm not going to use my TIM sight and bring it off the direction of advance). When I'm navigating on the move, especially on black-tracks, I will often reference my map. I don't know the size of map board Apoc is speaking about, but any soldier can properly fold a map so you they only see the 10km x10km grid they are operating in. As for having being out of my hatch reading a map, how else am I suppose to track landmarks or triangulate my position without lifting my head. I'm not gonna bring my gun system off target on a vehicle with no independent CC sight to locate key terrain. But this idea that a commander can't have his map out on his vehicle isn't something I have seen unless we are doing live fire (hatches down, which is a safety call). *Also, part of your sequence during adopting a position is to scan the immediate area around your vehicle to ensure you DON'T have any enemy forces in your area BEFORE you plot your position on a map and then track the battle*

Under NBC conditions, the Loader can set the breech to not automatically open after a round is fired. The gun will still fire and return to the load position, BUT the breech will not open automatically. The Loader has to manually open the breech, unload the casing or "ash-tray" and then load the next round. It massively slows the rate of fire, but is done because of the original safe regulations in which a Loader is not allow to "lap load" or have a round in his/her hands while a round is in the barrel. This is because A) if a round penetrates the turret, it could set off the round in the Loader's hand or B) if the Loader drops the round or gets it jammed, it can break the casing and let propellant everywhere.

I don't think the round is heavier, it's just for ease of loading.

Exactly right. The only way to fire from the load position with a round loaded is to use the Emergency firing circuit, which bypasses the Safe mode of the gun.

Actually, that is a bit incorrect. Once the breech block is closed and the round it loaded, the Loader must hit the ARM button to bring the barrel in-line with the sight mirror and then the triggers for the gunner will fire. The ARM switch completes the primary firing circuit.

Thanks for the bump, I'm hoping it can be done. Quickest fix is giving the gunner sight the same view as the TC. I have heard rumors that some countries have also updated their magnification values with the Attica system as well but I can't confirm that.

One idea I would like to see is an upgrade for the Leopard 2A6 and 2A5 thermals to the Attica system. I don't know about other countries, but the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps is currently fitting all 2A4M CAN and 2A6 CAN with the Attica sight. If not possible, the TIM sight for the Commander of the A6 and A5 looked extremely similar, so applying the same picture would be sufficant.