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  1. Questions about the Challenger 2

    sorry kind of unrelated, just to clarify Challenger 2's TIS, TOGS ? is it the same TOGS that was in use on the Cheiftan mk11 and Challenger 1 or is this a gen 2 version that was put into the Challenger 2?
  2. About that deleted thread

    thank you for clarifying your position on the matter, I now understand.
  3. About that deleted thread

    And you assume that it is not so? this logic works both ways bud.
  4. About that deleted thread

    Such obvious AD hominum . It doesn't matter who you think the game "caters" to. It doesnt make the application of such mechanics any less valid vs not having them. Its realistic function vs having simplified single RHA vs KE values applied to every KE. ammo type In that case why bother having a game at all in fear of who you think is upset for balance or not. The Op thread was not about "fairness" for balane. these discussions are very much valid for older vehicles where more solid information is available. No ones forced to go into wiki sites for more information. DOnt make up assumptions based on what you think a customer wants. At the end of the day it would be up to customer whether or not they care to study differences in amm types. no one said publishing real numbers. I doubt if ESIM even knows real numbers ( even if they may be privy to more than most here) there is a reason such software is made in such a way so the military client can edit values of ARMOR or data if they see fit based on thier own classified information, and not having to worry about trusting a private company with them. Its the same thing with TBS vs DCS. PK missile values or other aspects of more sensitive avionics like EW are adjustable by the military customer to fit the exact tables.
  5. About that deleted thread

    IF so , it would be 26 years too late for that effort to actually matter. But whatever at this point its just nothing but fallacies being thrown into the fray, in poor attempts to discredit said information.
  6. About that deleted thread

    None of which is covered in said document. I never said that all. I expressed many reason why it wouldn't be an assumption merely because of age of document alone.IE re read last post IF the documents had any sensitive nature in general they wouldn't be declasiseifed. Again as i stated there is nothing to gain from "disinformation" here given Burlingon 1 and the Vanilla M1 is no longer "news" for anyone working in foreign intelligence. and at this point i think you are really just grasping at straws here just saying an opposing view just for the sake of it. because youd rather disgree because you look at person instead of the agument, But whatever Yeah ok fine stick to your conspiracy theory beliefs then. Your naive to think that foreign intelligence wouldn't already know about this . You know if your just going to continue to make vague claims that you are unable to actually back up then you may as well stop. At this point your just arguing for the sake of arguing. lol m8 you took it way more than it meant. This is niche enthusiasts/ hobbyists circle. knowledge should be spread through any public community. not the discussion of topic that will change humanity. Nice try there at moral equivalence fallacy on your behalf. discussion on such forums is not equating to helping adversaries progress and somehow gain a technological edge over the West . If we were so effective here, there would be no need for Intelligence Analysts, and foreign nations have far more resources at their disposal besides " Open source Archive" research or searching Open source data on the internet, and certainly more than a "journalist" Seriously how naive are you to think that if Historical or Military Enthusiasts can find such information from open source research do you not think this would all be already in foreign hands?, especially as they can resort to methods that would be impossible for a normal law abiding citizen, such use hacking or actual espionage to obtain the juicy and relevant information? At the end of the day people dont care about politics " People are people. So why should it be" ( actually i know the answer but i wont delve into actual poltics) NO . in the same way a cop never visited anyone i know for watching a pirated DVD. and did counter intel ever visit anyone home for ever browsing a site like wiki leaks or whatever? Probably not. Did NYT or other major national newspaper get shut down when covering stories on published articles based on leaked information. No. Its Besides for the record , that would be a double no because none of the information i look at is actually classified. you dont say?
  7. About that deleted thread

    If you did read the ip thread before it was closed down I dont know how you could have gotten such an impression this wasn't the case here. Now whilst there are such people you describe , there certainly are many that arent like that. I would also add that in any discussion be it internet , article or formal academic papers the proper etiquette is to address the arguments and not attack or dismiss point made simply by character alone. Facts arent any less true just because it originates from a site you may or may not like or if its stated from a person who isn't doing it for a living. Whilst you might have a different view on this. I personally like to share whatever I can. Humanity has progressed because of the spread of knowledge. Not because everyone keeps to themselves. Factual based Discussion and education is a healthy thing.
  8. About that deleted thread

    This sort of skepticism would be understood if discussing a current service vehicle. Not so much for something that's retired, and found in scrapyard or private museums. Why would the cia waste time creating a disinformation document ( public for release in 2014) on a vehicle considering brl1 armor package is obselete and the tank itself no longer in any form of military service ( foreign or domestic) Considering that russia already have implemented nera type armor since cold war and that political foes can and have resort to espionage or hacking, more likely than not this is old news or simply not of interest given it's not around. That is legit document that was made public via foia.
  9. About that deleted thread

    That's irrelevant to the point made. Stop trying to change goalposts and using fallacies for argument That doesn't make the point any less valid. As its demonstrated for distinction. Also I wasn't specifically referring to the us army. Burden of proof freindo.
  10. About that deleted thread

    good point. funny enough even arcade thunder models different armor protection values vs different APFSDS ammo types.
  11. Steel Beasts: Content Wish List

    a 3d armor viewer/ protection analysis feature ( with xray if possible) with a ballistic simulation to figure at which distances we can penetrate X tank with Y ammo in Z portion of a tank profile based on distance adjustment. think what you like about war thunder natures as mainstream arcade game, but this feature is neat.
  12. About that deleted thread

    Please dont put words in my mouth. I never said that, No conjecture here, "restricted" ( there are distribution levels levels A through F or something to that effect ) is not classification level " secret". https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a369766.pdf. Most such documents that are not higher than C have a " Other requests for this document shall be referred to the Director of ....... " or something of that note implying that it is possible for individuals outside military or their hired civilian defense contractors to request and actually get a preview or possession of a physical copy of such a document. Again that would explain how you have simulations of vehicles that almost certainly had documentation "restricted" classification as source documentation, being created for the consumer sim market, whos development team aren't making a "civilianized" version of a sim originating from an official government contract.
  13. History of US Tanks.

    I hope you arent referring to the diagrams of the M1 armor nera layouts. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp91b00390r000300220014-8 Its directly from this link provided from the CIA's own website. IF it was classified the CIA wouldn't publish it on their site for public access. In fact at the top of the very first document page directly states " Declassified in part, Sanitized copy approved for release 2014/03/04 ". So in otherwords the "Sercret" markings should be ignored
  14. About that deleted thread

    k But whatever il bite, Unclassfied Information ( as not to breach forum rules), Ala nowunclassified CIA report. 400mm RHA turret vs KE , 700mm vs CE, that's already lower than the values provided here for vanilla M1. tell us what was factored in that in SB lists it 20mm extra vs ke, and an extra 100-120mm vs CE in SB? for the turret? you know in the same way textures are updated every X amount of updates or other stuff addressed, it wouldn't hurt to have armor values revised based on non classified sources ( when its possible) because i'm sure whenever SB was made, there were documentations that are available in more recent times that may not have been around when these values were initially given. IF authors can go back and revise thier published books based on newly available information, and publish new " second/ 3rd etc etc edition" books, then i don't see why the same can be done for SB.
  15. About that deleted thread

    realism, and authenticity. depends on the country. US "restictted" doesnt really count as secret or "classified, as one doesnt need a Security clearance to access documents with "restricted" EG Tank Operators or aircraft Flight manual are commonly restricted, so the average rank and file NCO thats driving the tank or servicing that aircraft , ( or butter bar Lieutenant student pilot reviewing his FM for a decades old aircraft ) isnt going to have a "security clearance". Simply information that is controlled in distribution, however its not necessarily impossible to be made public, as various civilian "off the shelf" SIms without any contract to government have used "restricted" manuals as source material for Aircraft or vehicles . Teams like ED or thier 43rd parties , VRS, Milviz, or modders for falcon BMS wouldnt have been able to create thier "study" level simulations without such source material Baiscally for people with actual security clearance ( various levels) documents will be marked Confidential, Secret, and then Top Secret.