Maj.Hans

It's probably for the best. I might break a few of his bones if I did that. I'll have to try and make it to one of those. I'm a touch sick of having my two total noob pals in the gunner stations. I mean, hell, one of them will get spooked by and start shooting tanks in his own damn platoon...

Well Tacbat I won't sit on your lap but I will E-Mail you my mailing address...

Still chugging along with SB1 here as well. The issue for me isn't with my PC or Pro PE (Though I think I'm gonna need a new hard drive for it unless I start un-installing a bunch of flight sims...:neutral:) as much as it is the money! Some of us don't make enough cash to easily drop $125 on a PC game, uber though it may be. ..And I doubt I could convince mommy to buy it for me, even if I can have a 3D purple hummer and kill main battle tanks with the M2HB on the roof...:heu: Anyway I think the last ver was 226. If you cant dig it up lemme know and I'll upload Das Patch somewhere for you.

Too many of these new "tank sims" have been anything but... I seem to recall Balkans: T-72 On Fire! being mostly third person with some gunsight views mixed in. T-34 vs Tiger is limited to two tanks, and again seems to have that problem, with gun sight views even being full screen...

DemolitionMan deserves a beer for actually saying what I'm sure everybody was thinking! When will we have this wonder weapon in SB? Can I save money and launch older Leopard1's? Heh... If it is a tip-test platform...Those straps look damn dinky for that... That said, why would you do a radar test with the turret over the engine deck instead of forward in a fighting configuration? The platform itself could possibly be filtered out, I suppose.

Honestly, one of the best I have played, for a fairly realistic WWII tank sim, would have to be Panzer Elite combined with the OSTPAK mod. The original PE was more limited in scope with the player operating only PanzerIV (In a few versions), Panther (D/A/G), Tiger IE, and Tiger IE Late on the German side, and several Sherman variants on the Allied side, and included missions set late in the North African campaign, Italy, and Normandy. The Ostpak mod added missions in Poland, France, Russia, and all the way into Germany, as well as damn near every German, Russian, and American vehicle you could think of. A 'Monty Vs. Rommel' mod offered up North Africa from the beginning of the German involvement until sometime late in 1942, IIRC, and added a list of period German and British vehicles. That said...The game was not without faults (For example, sometimes an M3 Stuart tank could survive several point blank shots from a Tiger's 88mm due to armor modeling issues.), and graphically speaking it is...Old. Very old. My copy did run on XP however.

I have no idea WTF this is or WTF this is for...But that sure looks like asking for trouble...

Paid update? WTF! Crap this is gonna be one f***ing expensive game.

No, I understand and I agree. My point was that greenpeace types whine about US use of DU Sabots but don't seem to know or care about Russian DU HEAT rounds. To me the DU penetrator rod is one thing, you primarily use it on heavy armor where you really need it, and it won't blow up and send the metal splattering everywhere if you miss. DU lined HEAT rounds seem just kinda..........I really don't know what to say. Yhea, I'm familiar with the BM29, its the BM26 I don't understand. I would assume that BM26 would come BEFORE BM29, and if it came after, that at least it would penetrate better...Is BM26 some kind of rebuild or rework of an older round? Add tungsten to existing steel rods?

Lieste - Thats what I was thinking, I guess I just figured that we would have evolved fuse design somewhat. I suppose the good news...Sorta...Is that the high arc would mean that at long range you'd almost be dropping your shots on top of the target......If you hit it. Colossus - Good points again. My concern is not that the North Korean generals think they can win a fight (At least on their own). I'd be worried that: 1) One short little man named Kim thinks he can win. And 2) China getting involved. As for DU munitions...Tungsten is bad for you too. Both are toxic heavy metals. DU has a bad rap for two reasons, first that unlike Tungsten it's been used in massive quantity, and second that it is slightly radioactive. As for Russian rounds, at least according to the tables in SB Gold, they seem...Well...Weird... BM29 outperforms the next year's BM26, which is a year later despite a lower number? WTF... BM42 out penetrates BM32 at 0 range, but BM32 is superior at longer range... At least NATO rounds are fairly linear! Bigger number = Better penetration. Though DM13 and 13A1 are just plain weird...Can't penetrate T-72's from point blank...You're better off lobbing DM12 at them...

http://www.amazon.com/USB-Cup-Mug-Warmer-4-port/dp/B000E84QMQ Do I really need to say anything...?

Well I think the T-64 is a sure bet "No." I thought those were never exported anyway. lol...Ninja tank...Even *IF* they have it, my money is still on the S.Koreans totally thrashing them. I don't have ProPE so I can't test the ammunition you mentioned, but I always figured that the M900's would be good enough at medium and close range against most Russian armor. I wonder if we'll see an upgraded M900 variant, or maybe even IPM1's back in service, now that we're fielding the 105mm again on the Stryker...I'd like to see the IPM1 in SB someday too... While I'm ranting on ammo, theres something I don't understand. APFSDS penetrators are 'arrow'dynamic. 125mm HE/FRAG rounds have an aerodynamic shape. but I don't understand why NATO HEAT rounds and Russian HEAT rounds look like a soup can with a spike? Wouldn't they fly a bit better if you streamlined them...?

Okay, interesting. I never really thought of the T-72 as being particularly well armored though? Really my thought was that the K5 ERA blocks added on them would be the big problem rather than the thickness or effectiveness of it's standard armor? That or maybe I've seen so much pop-top footage that my view of them is a little skewed... Agreed about the ammunition, but there have been some advancements, haven't there? Like M711, Pronit, etc. Oddly enough, I hear that the Russian BM-42M round can't fit in the T-72's autoloader. Seems that some of their HEAT rounds penetrate more anyway. Now, heres something I don't understand about ammunition... The M829 series DU rounds (Which CNN knows only as the 'Silver Bullet') is "Oh my god!" evil because its made of Uranium. But nobody whines about Soviet/Russian BM-29 or BM-32 DU rounds, or better yet, BK-21? :rolleyes:

So that leads me to a few questions... 1) Is the armor on the T-72 really that good, or is this a KONTAKT-5 related issue? 2) Is the M900 good enough to be effective against T-72 tanks? KONTAKT-5 covered tanks? 3) Are the Non-DU rounds really that much worse then the DU rounds? and 4) Do the K1A1's use imported ammo like DM33/53/etc or KE-W/A1 types or does S. Korea have the resources to produce their own? Really I don't know a whole lot about the K1/K1A1 but, really, the K1 seems more than a match for North Korean junk...

Well at least in SB Gold... If you are TC-Gunning with a live gunner, he will set the FCS to match your loaded rounds. To deactivate lead, release and immediately re-engage TC override. In this mode, essentially, it's like you're actually holding the palm switch. If you are TC-Gunning because your gunner bit the big one, I think dynamic lead is always on. The work around is to set your battle sight range to 0000 and use it to fault out your FCS and thus remove the lead. Lead will return when you lase next. Also, SB Gold here... I kind of like the floating reticle in the M1 as it seems more forgiving to tracking errors than the Leopard2's. Or perhaps it has something to do with the way I have to hold the lead switch and maybe it's just not as comfortable for me? Either way, I use various methods. It seems that at longer ranges I prefer to use a Lase-Track-Lase-Blaze method. Range the target, track to be sure, lase to update, and fire. With the targets closer, say 1500m or closer, I use the Lase-and-Blaze method. Honestly I don't try to hurry up the shot. I have a "One Two" count, sorta, theres maybe 1/2 to a 1 second pause after the lase to be sure I'm set and tracking, then fire. I can't recall ever actually switching the first/last return mode...Seems I always just adjust my lase point rather than flip switches. No problems with that method yet...

Funny you mention the role of estimating ranges in rejecting phony solutions... I know two guys who I talked into buying SB Gold some time back as a change of pace from IL-2 Sturmovik, before PPE was out... I'm having the damnedest time getting them first to understand how to work the normal mode fire control, and second how to recognize obviously false ranges... "Uh, it says he's twenty yards away, so is that why I missed?" "......Yes...Why did you shoot then?" "Because I have to shoot it after I laser it?" "......Get out of the tank." I won't even begin to tell you what its like when the FCS starts to take hits...

Hmm, Interesting. I have to admit, I wonder why the choice was made to upgrade the K1 to the 120mm? I mean...Look...South Korea's most likely enemy is going to be North Korea, yhea? OK, now North Korea doesn't exactly have a ton of super-modern tanks. Now, when you consider that perhaps the South Korean tankers might just be a little bit, Mmmm, smaller in stature? Than their Western European and North American counterparts... Wouldn't it be more advantageous to stick with a faster loading gun, thats more than enough for the job, and can bring more rounds to the fight? Unless...Theres a concern about China getting involved with some newer equipment?

I think you'd better stick with height and not try width...That could get a little dicey if the target was non cylindrical... IIRC the brackets in the GPS/TIS can be used to range on a Mil dot type scale but I don't really understand how.

Some quick internet research says that ~35 T-80U's were transfered to S. Korea in exchange for the nullification of some debts. Also they do seem to be operating 70 BMP-3's but I'm not sure why for those. Their main MBT as far as I know is the K1 and K1A1. Those are the M1 Abrams looking things you saw. The K1 has a 105mm main gun, the K1A1 has a 120mm. Oddly enough I heard that the K1's don't have thermal sights and that both types are limited in their ammo load. They're due to be (partially?) replaced with a new tank mounting an L55 style main gun. Not sure at all about the other APC's.

Outontheop - I know and have talked to an M2 TC. He spent some time around Stryker units and was dissapointed with their off-road performance and armor. He also pointed out that there was some armor available, both various non reactive and reactive armor, to bring the 113's up to modern spec. Kinda like what the Israelis are doing or did with some of them. To be fair, while there are people out there bitching that the Stryker is totally useless and blah blah blah, I can see it being used for recce missions and perhaps in some support roles. Just not as a fleet wide replacement for other IFV's. That and maybe I'm just unfairly biased because it looks like a BTR-80...Which can usually be found burning on the battlefield surrounded by bodies, yhea?

CV-90/120? Yhea okay why the hell not. Looks interesting. BMP-2? Sure, but sooner the BMP-1 than the BMP-3. M901 ITV...Agreed 1000%!! The M8 is not the same as the Stingray, but I would like to see the Stingray in here someday. As for the striker...Please...No...We should be using M113's instead of that bloated POS...

Can't recall if this is in SB:PPE or not, but I'm sure I'll find out once I get a copy...But... 1) "Overhead cover" position for M1 TC. IIRC I've seen vids of him moving up and down in his seat but only with the hatch open or closed. 2) An option to change how the gunner will respond to the TC engaging targets with the .50 Cal. Maybe I want the gunner to "Fire and Adjust" while I'm working something over with my MG...

Perhaps crews that get a little worked up about taking fire then...The old SB1 crew sometimes sounds like they're eternally on a training run, especially the German TC...

days till Jack Bauer's retirement > Days till we get a better TV show

lol, no I mean I haven't heard it in the game yet, though I know it exists in the file. I'd like to see some pissed crews introduced. "Identified!" "Kill the f***er!" Or maybe... "Fire!" "On the way!" *Boom!* "Suck it commie!"