Damian90 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 This T-90 most likely got it's turret armor pierced considering the place of hit. Now about armor, T-90 uses the same turret and armor as T-72B, and it's nothing spectacular contrary to what UVZ propaganda want you to believe in. As you can see roof area is exposed, protected by relatively thin armor and there is no ERA in are where ATGM most likely hit. And here you have front, side and rear armor of T-72B and T-90 turret, as you can see armor in the hit area is also not spectacular. IMHO armor was pierced, gunner was most likely injured, but majority of shaped charge and spall was absorbed by 1G46 gunner primary day sight, which is rather large. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Compound angle of turret roof in given area is about 85-87 degrees, at this angle of impact jet produced by shaped charge is prone to slide off leaving a groove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian90 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Maybe, but gunner still bails out, and if there would be no penetration they would make a photo, they didn't and knowing propaganda practices this suggests that indeed armor was pierced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Damian90 said: Maybe, but gunner still bails out, and if there would be no penetration they would make a photo, they didn't and knowing propaganda practices this suggests that indeed armor was pierced. Well... Hard facts are: -Tank was hit with TOW missile -Gunner bailed out -There is a visible damage to day sight and left IR emitter -Initial reaction in russian media is disproportional and hysterical. The rest are speculations and propaganda activities conducted by interested parties. Edited March 22, 2016 by Jartsev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 22, 2016 Members Share Posted March 22, 2016 "Hysterical" as in "extremely funny" or as in "agitated chicken coop"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ssnake said: "Hysterical" as in "extremely funny" or as in "agitated chicken coop"? Not chicken. Bears on unicycles...everyone of 'em 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, Ssnake said: "Hysterical" as in "extremely funny" or as in "agitated chicken coop"? Depends of personal taste 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 22, 2016 Members Share Posted March 22, 2016 Then, what's the reason why people are going ape shit about this? Big missile, tank gets hit, but crew is somewhat lucky. I'm not sure I understand why this is reason for a big commotion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Quite simple- nation-wide cult of everything military and particularly armor. Just do not wish to go deeper in to political subjects. Edited March 22, 2016 by Jartsev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Other forums reporting that it was defeated by the reactive tile causing a upwards blast, then a stripping off of equipment on turret roof front to back without penetrating the basic armour. Guess we might never know what happened. Internet experts are certainly weighing in on this, much like when the first M1's were take out, all kinds of reasons why this just could not be. Some people can't believe their nations tanks can be destroyed without going off the deep end. Have to wait a few more month to see what develops. Edited March 22, 2016 by 12Alfa because I can 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 the same way USA is proud of it's fighter planes, Russia is in love with their tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashdivay Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 hours ago, 12Alfa said: Other forums reporting that it was defeated by the reactive tile causing a upwards blast, then a stripping off of equipment on turret roof front to back without penetrating the basic armour. Guess we might never know what happened. Internet experts are certainly weighing in on this, much like when the first M1's were take out, all kinds of reasons why this just could not be. Some people can't believe their nations tanks can be destroyed without going off the deep end. Have to wait a few more month to see what develops. Again internet Forums are not ultimate source of true facts. Nor are video's posted by anyone on the internet. Based on various online sources ,You can come up with your own theory , but in the end that's all it will ever be , a "theory". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, ashdivay said: Again internet Forums are not ultimate source of true facts. Nor are video's posted by anyone on the internet. Based on various online sources ,You can come up with your own theory , but in the end that's all it will ever be , a "theory". You are correct, but why is this a issue for you. Second the mil forum is for the mil and not open to the public, so the info is a bit more credible than most, but we are all allowed to believe what we want , another theory of mine. Also can anyone confirm info I just got that the grenades system won't operate with the hatches open. Edited March 22, 2016 by 12Alfa Because I can 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 17 hours ago, TankHunter said: The liver eaters have access to TOW-2A missiles. It is reasonable to believe that the missile used on the T-90 was a tandem warhead missile. On a related note does anyone know if previous versions of the TOW are still in use by anyone besides Iran and (maybe) Hez? I think Iran has their own TOW ripoff called the Taphoon or something like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 17 hours ago, Jartsev said: US have AN/VLQ-6, which supposed to do pretty much the same things. Ok, I didnt know tht. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 7 hours ago, dejawolf said: the same way USA is proud of it's fighter planes, Russia is in love with their tanks. F35 already considered obsolete and useless after a few trillion and to be replaced in 2030 or something like that.The multi role,can do it all concept and airframe is a gigantic bust. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, mpow66m said: I think Iran has their own TOW ripoff called the Taphoon or something like that. Toophan. Supposedly the newer ones are equivalent to the TOW-2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/21/2016 at 5:03 PM, mpow66m said: theres a couple of videos going around showing a T90(?) in Syria defeating 2 TOWs with their jamming capabilities.Not sure what the Russians call it,but both missles just floundered off and hit the ground.tried finding it but cant. You can't 'jam' a tow missile. It's wire guided. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Apocalypse 31 said: You can't 'jam' a tow missile. It's wire guided. Correct, however as noted you can disrupt the signal that the receiver is looking for from the missile in earlier versions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, 12Alfa said: Correct, however as noted you can disrupt the signal that the receiver is looking for from the missile in earlier versions. There's no receiver on the TOW missile. It's wire guided. Only way to prevent that missile from hitting is target is to cut the wires. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Apocalypse 31 said: There's no receiver on the TOW missile. It's wire guided. Only way to prevent that missile from hitting is target is to cut the wires. Yes, An optical sensor on the sight continuously monitors the position of a light source on the missile relative to the line-of-sight, and then corrects the trajectory of the missile by generating electrical signals that are passed down two wires to command the control surface actuators.[ the guidance system will automatically transmit corrective commands to the missile through the wire , thous another light source is what is used to confuse the sight, ie Shtora The receiver is in the sight on the tripod Edited March 23, 2016 by 12Alfa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I've only fired 78 live TOW missile in the last year, but I guess Wiki is a better source... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 it was a quick ref, If you want more info on how they work, I know you know where to find it. The way it works is no big secret, haven't been for years, and how to defeat the older ones as well has been known, thous the Soviet systems on their tanks, but you know this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 23, 2016 Members Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Apocalypse 31 said: You can't 'jam' a tow missile. It's wire guided. Tracked Optically, Wire guided (missile). That's the name. You can't jam "the missile", but the optical tracker, and that's what Shtora does, successfully - at least with older missiles where the beacon code is known. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 if i remember correctly, the beacon code on the newest TOWs is actually random, so it is practically unjammable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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