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Excellent information, very interesting too see. I also like the fact that a friendly nation in our rear is bolstering its military. Given the current state of affairs, it might be a deterrent for further escalation in the east. (mods, remove post if considered political).

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On 7.03.2019 at 11:19 AM, Batura said:

Excellent information, very interesting too see. I also like the fact that a friendly nation in our rear is bolstering its military. Given the current state of affairs, it might be a deterrent for further escalation in the east. (mods, remove post if considered political).

Thanks. :)
 

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From 11th Armored Cavalry Division facebook fanpage.

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Huyndai Rotem presented this year at MSPO 2020 expo, their redesigned K2 as K2PL for Polish Army.

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Changes in design:

1. Driver station moved to the hull center longitudinal axis.
2. Hull ammo storage will be moved to a new isolated magazine with blow off panels between turret and engine compartment.
3. Reinforced armor protection, especially on sides of the turret and hull.
4. Turret is enlarged.
5. Weight increases from 55 metric tons of basic K2 to +/- ~60 metric tons for K2PL.

 

As for armor physicall thickness, it is most likely something like this:

Turret front - ~900-1000mm.
Turret sides - ~300-400mm.
Hull front - ~700-800mm.
Hull sides - ~40-80mm hull sides + ~200-300mm heavy side skirts.

 

Turret roof also is reinforced vs artillery submunitions.

Hyundai Rotem says they offer Poland 100% transfer of technology and full license with rights for export. Besides MBT variant, Hyundai Rotem is working also on ARV, AEV and AVLB based on K2PL.

This is extremely interesting offer, but more perfected design and more informations will most likely be disclosed in 2021 during next edition of MSPO expo.

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Licenced production would be a good option for poland

It also opens the possibility of export sales from european customers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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While I suspect that they could compete with the Leo 2 on a price level, I wonder what customers would purchase them. Those that have Leopards will continue using them. France will stick to their Leclercs. I don't see Italy giving up their Arietes for Polish license-built Korean tanks. That leaves Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria. Admittedly, that could be a market.

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When it comes to Poland, new tank that most likely just like it's program will be codenamed Wilk (Wolf), would gradually replace all currently used tank types in Polish Armed Forces inventory.

So first to be replaced are T-72M and T-72M1 tanks (currently overhauled and modified to T-72MR and T-72M1R standard). Second in line to be replaced are PT-91 tanks. Then Leopard 2A4/Leopard 2PL tanks and last ones will be Leopard 2A5's.

 

We can assume that first to receive new tanks would be 11th Armored Cavalry Division with it's 10th and 34th Armored Cavalry Brigades. So we can estimate that first batch of tanks would be around 250. All Leopard 2's (Leopard 2A4/Leopard 2PL and Leopard 2A5) can be then moved to the 18th Mechanized Division. While 12th and 16th Mechanized Divisions in time would replace their T-72 and PT-91 tanks with new vehicle. So 18th Mechanized Division would be last to be rearmed.

This means that if MoD would want to keep current number of tank battalions, Poland would need to manufacture around 800-1000 new tanks. These numbers include both tanks in active service + tanks used for training + tanks in reserve stocks. Polish Army have 58 tanks in a single tank battalion.

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Also as I have contact with chief editor of Armadne Noviny military magazine from Czech Republic, it seems that Czechs are greatly interested in development of K2PL. So some export potential is there for various countries that are around us.

 

I also forgot to add. Our IFV Borsuk (Badger) program is moving forward as well. At the moment there is one technology demonstrator and two prototypes build. The latest prototype is scheduled to be tested at Drawko Pomorskie Training Area (proving grounds) this month.

Here is a photo of that last prototype hull during welding process.

 

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It is interesting to note that Borsuk have spaced armor in front of it's hull. This empty cavity can have various purposes, it can hold a fuel tank, or perhaps it is completely empty to increase vehicle buoyancy when it is swimming as it is amphibious vehicle.

Borsuk hull from the front is said to be completely immune to AP ammo in 30x165mm calliber typical for Russian 30mm 2A42 and 2A72 autocannons. Turret is completely unmanned Polish ZSSW-30 turret armed with 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster II, 7.62mm UKM-2000C coaxial machine gun, and 2x Spike LR ATGM's.

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It is also said that HSW started some development work on a second version of Borsuk IFV, which will be a heavy IFV, however it is still in early R&D phase and there is still no official requirement for it.

 

Also Leopard 2A4's are being now upgraded to Leopard 2PL standard.

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5 Leopard 2PL tanks had been already delivered to Polish Army, 3 more are awaiting to be handed over, and more are being upgraded at ZMBŁ factory. One of the 5 first tanks was shown at MSPO 2020.

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T-72MR and T-72M1R tanks are also being delivered to the Army.

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So it seems that first unit that receives newly upgraded Leopard 2A4's to Leopard 2PL standard is 1st Armored Brigade stationing in Warsaw capital city. At this moment around 8 tanks should be handed over to the Polish Army, so two fill platoons. 1st Armored Brigade will use a combination of 105 Leopard 2A5's and 14 Leopard 2PL's. While rest of the Leopard 2A4's, which is 128 tanks will be also upgraded to Leopard 2PL standard and will be used by 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade. Also these photos are proof that Leopard 2PL's handed over to 1st Armored Brigade are at their first excercices at Nowa Dęba Training Area.

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This is a second prototype of the new Polish IFV Borsuk (Badger). This second prototype was recently tested at Drawsko Pomorskie Training Area. From what we know tests went very well. If everything else goes well mass production is scheduled to begin in 2022/2023.

Polish Army will need around 848-928 Borsuk in IFV variant.

Planned are also:


C2 variant Oset - 151 vehicles.
MEDEVAC variant Gotem - 115 vehicles.
RECON variant Żuk - 144 vehicles.
ARV variant Gekon - 76 vehicles.
CBRN variant Ares - 29 vehicles.
Self propelled gun-mortar M120G Rak - 128 vehicles.

In total it gives 1491-1571 vehicles of the Borsuk family.

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Borsuk (Badger) tracked IFV and Rosomak (Wolverine) wheeled IFV , both with ZSSW-30 unmanned turret, armed with 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster II chain gun, 7.62mm UKM-2000C coaxial machine gun and Spike ATGM launcher.

 

HSW project of a lightweight turret, that can be used for example in BMP-1 modernization. Armed with 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster II turret, 7.62mm UKM-2000C coaxial machine gun and Spike ATGM's. Such lightweight turret can find other applications.

 

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1 hour ago, Grenny said:

French TIS systems and optics?

No, all electrooptics and thermal cameras are made in Poland by PCO (Przemysłowe Centrum Optyki - Industrial Optics Center) in Warsaw. This includes thermal cameras of various types including 3rd generation thermal camera KLW-1 Asteria.

 

https://pcosa.com.pl/en/home/

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