Members Ssnake Posted July 9, 2016 Members Share Posted July 9, 2016 Don't get me wrong. You can ask for anything. Sometimes however I feel compelled to point out why a certain request is less likely to be considered. Small arms is one of these issues. Functionally, the only difference lies in caliber, effective range, and maybe the rate of fire. Anything else, in the context of Steel Beasts, is merely window dressing. Since there are a lot of small arms models, and since this topic seems to attract gun nerds that tend to get into unconstructive online discussions about the merits of gun X vs. gun Y, I'd rather avoid such situations by making clear right from the start that Steel Beasts doesn't simulate such minutiae. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Lion Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Personally, I like Ssnake's approach. If he is able to give an answer he does, and if he doesn't give an answer, there is usually a pretty good reason as to why, which he usually explains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guccimanetraplord Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 14 hours ago, Ssnake said: Don't get me wrong. You can ask for anything. Sometimes however I feel compelled to point out why a certain request is less likely to be considered. Small arms is one of these issues. Functionally, the only difference lies in caliber, effective range, and maybe the rate of fire. Anything else, in the context of Steel Beasts, is merely window dressing. Since there are a lot of small arms models, and since this topic seems to attract gun nerds that tend to get into unconstructive online discussions about the merits of gun X vs. gun Y, I'd rather avoid such situations by making clear right from the start that Steel Beasts doesn't simulate such minutiae. i think most people would be happy with a fn mag model, and a minimi being added as these are very heavily used by most major militaries. its very immersion breaking seeing a us army man carrying an MG3 instead of a 249, or a 240 if you're an MG team (infact its what turned me off the game after i bought the one month trial thing). i dont think that there is a need for complex small arms simulation, but having the right weapons for the right factions would be a major step up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 9, 2016 Members Share Posted July 9, 2016 Oh, there will be a few more pea shooter models in 4.0, don't worry. All I'm saying is, don't get the idea that this trend will continue indefinitely. In the pursuit of a comprehensive representation of small arms lies the path to madness. I do not intend to stare for too long into that particular abyss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Lion Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Hmm, how about Derringers and, "official Red Ryder, carbine action, two-hundred shot range model air rifle(s)" to shoot each other's eyes out? Edited July 9, 2016 by Azure Lion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guccimanetraplord Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Ssnake said: Oh, there will be a few more pea shooter models in 4.0, don't worry. All I'm saying is, don't get the idea that this trend will continue indefinitely. In the pursuit of a comprehensive representation of small arms lies the path to madness. I do not intend to stare for too long into that particular abyss. i'm very happy to hear this, looking forward to the coming weeks it'll be nice to finally have some new lmgs and mmgs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 Will we have different brands of ammo for small arms? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 On 7/9/2016 at 1:08 AM, Kev2go said: Question 1) With the information offered on 4.0 it seems that when released it will have updated tank models, and in a further updates for 4.0 ; updated terrain.   So question is?  will these updated models still be rendered in the venerable DX9? or are there plans to move up to DX11 graphical rendering.   Question 2)  is there going to be introduction  of modern infantry? currently usa blueforce has infantry squads wearing M83 woodland Bdu , pasgat helmets, and armed with M16A2's.  Equipment of  80s - late 90s vintage.  Current infantry would have MICH or ADV  combat helmets, armed with M4 Carbines, wearing either ACU bdu or  Multicam Bdu  already in SB. switch to US 2000 in mission editor to get them. they also have functioning body armour.  0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, guccimanetraplord said: i'm very happy to hear this, looking forward to the coming weeks it'll be nice to finally have some new lmgs and mmgs  "finally" after 3 posts?  FWIW when we use this at School of Infantry - no one cares about what the weapons look like.  Edited July 10, 2016 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guccimanetraplord Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Gibsonm said: Â "finally" after 3 posts? ive followed this game for a while now, never really bothered getting involved on the forums 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 7 hours ago, Rotareneg said: Will we have different brands of ammo for small arms? same as currently in SB.  7.62mm and 5.56mm. so no 7.62mm ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 I meant different brands, like Federal vs Hornady vs Winchester. And, as the indicated, I wasn't exactly being serious.  However, that does bring up a serious question: Is there any in-game difference between the 7.62mm DE ammo vs NATO? The stats shown are identical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran66 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 one question Do we get the Austrian version of the M60 tank (M60A3Ö) with the 4.0 Version? Or the M60A3 with german labels inside the Cockpit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, Veteran66 said: one question Do we get the Austrian version of the M60 tank (M60A3Ö) with the 4.0 Version? Or the M60A3 with german labels inside the Cockpit? That would be a job for the mod-makers after the release. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Will the 100mm on the BMP-3 be working in version 4.0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 10, 2016 Members Share Posted July 10, 2016 8 hours ago, Rotareneg said: Is there any in-game difference between the 7.62mm DE ammo vs NATO? The stats shown are identical. Â In this specific case, No. I cannot rule out that there once was a difference (like a minor variation in muzzle velocity) which has been removed later, but then the two types were kept for backwards compatibility reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 10, 2016 Members Share Posted July 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Marko said: Will the 100mm on the BMP-3 be working in version 4.0  Apparently not. Once again time is our enemy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 8 hours ago, Ssnake said: Â In this specific case, No. I cannot rule out that there once was a difference (like a minor variation in muzzle velocity) which has been removed later, but then the two types were kept for backwards compatibility reasons. Â Pro PE probably doesn't consider infantry to be anything other than "alive" or "dead", but this separate ammunition may be useful again in the future if troops can ever be "wounded". Â W.German 7.62 ammunition was made with a different jacket material than US 7.62 and tended to produce much more...aggressive...fragmentation on impact... Â Â Essentially it acts like 5.56mm M193 except on steroids.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guccimanetraplord Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 12 minutes ago, Maj.Hans said: Â Pro PE probably doesn't consider infantry to be anything other than "alive" or "dead", but this separate ammunition may be useful again in the future if troops can ever be "wounded". Â W.German 7.62 ammunition was made with a different jacket material than US 7.62 and tended to produce much more...aggressive...fragmentation on impact... Â Â Â Essentially it acts like 5.56mm M193 except on steroids.... something was mentioned about having a medic in the new SB version, so maybe there is a wounded state now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, guccimanetraplord said: something was mentioned about having a medic in the new SB version, so maybe there is a wounded state now? Â Maybe? Â But, uh, if the guy the medic is coming to work on took a hit from W.German 7.62 or US M193 from a 20" M16/M16A1 there isn't going to be much he can help with...Except maybe to scoop up the pulp that got blown out of the exit wound... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Ssnake had said that the medics use necromancy, which sounds a bit more like reviving "dead" troops than there being an additional wounded status between alive and dead. Â They could always use the Arma 3 standard: Enough morphine will heal any injury (and clean your uniform as well!) Edited July 11, 2016 by Rotareneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 11, 2016 Members Share Posted July 11, 2016 Troops that get hit are "incapacitated". Steel Beasts makes no statement whether 'tis but a scratch, a mere flesh wound, or four missing limbs ...come back, you coward! Â 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ssnake said: Troops that get hit are "incapacitated". Steel Beasts makes no statement whether 'tis but a scratch, a mere flesh wound, or four missing limbs ...come back, you coward!   So your saying if i hit infantryman directly  with any MBT's  HE shell ( which would result in death and body being a total shredded mangled decapitated mess), and a medic comes by he will be revived A ok, because of mere" incapacitation"?  hmmm this reminds me of monty python parrot skit.      Edited July 11, 2016 by Kev2go 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 I like to imagine that it's just the death animations are so long and drawn out that you can always revive them before they actually stop moving: Â Â 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingo Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Each impact on that crazy video () feels like when I read Ssnake´s messages and they bring no extra news about release date of 4.0  I know, is done when is done and we didn't reach week 4 Edited July 11, 2016 by Vikingo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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