Maj.Hans Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) Leopard 2 users: Germany: APFSDS 1979 DM13 ? DM13A1 1983 DM23 1987 DM33 1999 DM53 - Kosovo deployment only. 2001 DM53 - Main army deployment. HEAT 1979 DM12 HE 2003? Rheinmetall HE Notes: DM13A1 info scarce, seems to be an improvement of DM13. Germany never bought DM43, but KEW-A1 = DM43A1. Netherlands: APFSDS 1983 DM23 1987? DM33 2002 DM53 HEAT 1983 DM12 HE 2004 Rheinmetall HE Spain: APFSDS 1995 DM33? 2004? DM53 HEAT 1995 DM12? Comments: Since the initial Spanish Leopard 2s were leased from Germany, they most likely came with the standard DM33 and DM12 ammunition. Sweden: APFSDS 1995 Slpprj m/95 HE 1997 IMI/Nammo HE-T Comments: The Slpprj m/95 is an Israeli round, and details about it are very scarce. As a consequence, the round's performance in Steel Beasts is a general estimate only. Never purchased HEAT. Switzerland: APFSDS 1987 Pfeil Pat 87 Lsp ? DM33? 1999 Pfeil Pat 98 Lsp. (aka DM53) HEAT 1987 DM12? Comments: Swiss ammunition holdings are not widely publicized. The initial round appears to be the PfielPat 87 Lsp, which may be the DM13A1, or may be another round all together. In Steel Beasts it is considered to be the DM13A1. It is possible that the DM33 was acquired sometime during the early 1990s, but this is only conjecture at this point. The acquisition of the Pfeil Pat 98 (the DM53) is definite. The HEAT round is assumed to be the standard DM12 type. Greece: ? Finland: ? Canada: ? Denmark: ? Poland: ? Norway: ? Turkey: ? M1A1/2 Abrams users United States: APFSDS 1985 M829 1988 M829A1 1993 M829A2 2003 M829A3 HEAT 1985 M830 1993 M830A1 1997 XM908 Notes: During OIF it seems that some tanks were given a mixed compliment of Sabot, HEAT, and MPAT. Not currently sure if M830A1 is still issued alongside MPAT. XM908 (became M908 HE-OR-T) is a demolition round that at least at one point was only fielded to Korea, meant to break up bunkers and fortifications. Egypt: APFSDS 1991 KE-W 1999 KE-WA1 2004? KE-WA2 - proposed project. HEAT 1991 M830? KE-W is a tungsten round made by US firms for export. KE-WA1 is DM43A1. At the time this document was written KE-WA2 was just a proposal. Kuwait: APFSDS 1994 M829 ? Possibly a tungsten round? HEAT 1994 M830? Comments: Kuwait received M829s, but it is also possible they have a tungsten round of some sort, although this is purely conjecture. Saudi Arabia: APFSDS 1993 M829 ? Possibly a tungsten round? HEAT 1993 M830? Comments: Like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia received M829s. Australia:? Iraq:? Other 120mm users:Israel (Merkava Mk3/4, M60 Upgrades) Turkey (M60 Upgrades) France (Leclerc) ? UAE (Leclerc) ? 105mm NATO Main Gun Users: United States (M1/IPM1/M60A1/A3/M48 Upgrades, Stryker MGS) United Kingdom(Centurion) West Germany/Germany (Leopard1) Australia(Leopard1) Belgium(Leopard1) Canada(Leopard1) Denmark(Leopard1) Norway (M60, replaced with Leo1) Greece (Leo1 and M60, was the ammo used in the two vehicles different?) Turkey (Numerous 105mm armed vehicles.) Iran (M60A1) Egypt(M60A1/A3) Saudi Arabia(M60A1/A3) Israel (M60s, Merkavas, Centurions) Italy (M60 till 1990s, Centauro) Austria (M60s from '64 to '97, also SK105?) 125mm armed tank users: Russia, and states of former USSR: APFSDS 1969 3BM9 1969-72 3BM12 1970s 3BM15 1970s 3BM17 1976 3BM22 1982 3BM29 1983 3BM26 1984 3BM32 1986 3BM42 1998? 3BM42M - status uncertain. HEAT 1969 3BK12 1970s 3BK14 1980s? 3BK18 1980s? 3BK21 1990s? 3BK29 HE 1969 3OF19 1986? 3OF26 NOTES: The Soviets had a huge tank fleet, so old ammo stuck around for decades especially in reserve units. Important states of the former USSR, such as the Ukraine, have displayed modern 3BM42 (called 3BM42Y) and 3BM42M (called 3BM42Y1) rounds. The 3BK21 DU HEAT round and 3BK29 anti-ERA HEAT rounds seem to be rare, and should not be in common use. The 1986 service date of the 3OF26 is based on East German service dates. Bulgaria: APFSDS mid '80s 3BM9/12/15? 1996 upgrade? HEAT mid '80s 3BK14 late '80s? 3BK18 HE mid '80s 3OF19 Comments: Few details are available. Probably low-performance APFSDS rounds delivered initially. Possibility of an upgrade to newer rounds with a delivery of tanks from Russia in 1996, although this is conjectural. Local companies produce the 3BK14, 3BK18, and 3OF19. Czechoslovakia (former): APFSDS 1977 3BM9/12/15? 1980s? APFSDS Pp Sv - possibly equivalent to 3BM15 1997-8? Possible Czech KE upgrade - not clear if produced. 1997-98? Possible Slovak KE upgrade - not clear if produced. HEAT 1977 3BK14/18? HE 1977 HE SMRK - equivalent to 3OF19. Comments: Details are sketchy. Czechoslovakia probably received 3BM9/12/15 type initially. Locally produced APFSDS PpSv may be the 3BM15. After partition (into Czech and Slovak Republics) there may have been an upgrade ca. 1997-98, possibly by the Czech company Synthesia, or with the Slovak APFSDS Tapna. These may even be the same round. No details are available at this time, but it would be reasonable to simulate this with the Polish Pronit APFSDS round. HEAT rounds are assumed to be 3BK14/18 type. Locally produced HE SMRK rounds are equivalent to 3OF19. *Attached TAPNA documentation. Performance "540mm RHA at 2000 meters." Does not say, however, if the target plate is sloped. Assuming that performance is against a 0 deg plate, and using Fofanov's webpage to find "predicted average penetration at 2000m/0deg" for Soviet ammo, TAPNA seems to be close to but slightly worse than 3BM32 or a little better than 3BM42. East Germany (former): APFSDS 1977 3BM9, 3BM12. HEAT 1977 3BK14 HE 1977 3OF19 1986 3OF26 Comments: East Germany received 3BM9s and 3BM12s with their T-72s, and retained them in service until the fall of the wall and the re-unification of Germany. If there were more modern rounds available they were kept secret from the tank crews, and did not appear in manuals. (!!) Hungary: APFSDS 1978 3BM9/12/15? 1998 Possible upgrade? HEAT 1978 3BK14/18? HE 1978 3OF19? Comments: Hungary did not have ammunition production facilities, and is assumed to have been equipped with early ammunition, like other Warsaw Pact allies. Deliveries of tanks from Belarus in 1998 could have been accompanied by newer ammunition, but this is entirely conjectural, and details are limited. Poland: APFSDS 1977 3BM9/12/15? 1996? Pronit APFSDS HEAT 1977 3BK18 HE 1977 3OF19 Comments: Poland locally produces rounds equivalent to the 3BK18 and 3OF19. Initial APFSDS production is assumed to have been early 3BM9/12/15 style rounds. After the breakup of the Warsaw Pact the Polish company Pronit developed and began to produce a western-style tungsten APFSDS round, possibly around 1996. Romania: APFSDS 1979 3BM9, 3BM15. 1996? M711? HEAT 1979 3BK14 HE 1979 3OF19 equivalent. Comments: Romania locally produces the 3BM9, 3BM15, 3BK14, and what is probably a 3OF19 equivalent. There is a possibility that the Israeli M711 APFSDS round was developed with Romanian companies, in which case it is possible that the round was intended for Romanian service, although this has not been confirmed. Finland: APFSDS 1985 3BM9/12/15. mid 90s? Possible upgrade? HEAT 1985 3BK14/18? HE 1985 3OF19? Comments: Finland used old-style APFSDS rounds of the 3BM9/12/15 style at least as late as 1993, and possibly longer. There are rumors that more modern rounds were obtained in the mid 1990s, but no confirmation is available. If you wish to simulate this possibility, any of the newer tungsten 125 mm rounds (M711, 125-I, Pronit) would make a reasonable test case. Other ammunition includes conventional rounds, probably of the 3BK14/18 and 3OF19 style. Yugoslavia (former): APFSDS 1979 3BM9 1984? KE shell M88 - equivalent to 3BM12. HEAT 1979 3BK14? 1984? HEAT shell M88 - equivalent to 3BK18. HE 1979 3OF19? 1984? 125 mm HE shell (M86?) - equivalent to 3OF19. Comments: Yugoslavia initially received basic 125 mm ammunition, and followed this with domestic production of slightly more advanced models sometime in the early to mid 1980s. A more advanced APFSDS round, the KE shell M95, was ready for production in 1991, but failed to materialize as the country broke up and the M95 tank project was canceled. Bosnia (formerly part of Yugoslavia) APFSDS 2004? APFSDS-T Shell M04 - apparently a successor to the KE Shell M88, produced by UNIS group in Bosnia, offered or displayed quite recently as of 2016 in/to Malaysia. Offered alongside the older M88 KE Shell. "540 mm of rolled homogenous armor (RHA) oriented at 0 degrees obliquity at target range of 2000 m" (See attachment: Pretis 2013 Catalog) *-This penetration figure for M04 is exactly the same "540mm at 2000m" as the TAPNA catalog. Same round? As with TAPNA this puts it between 3BM32 and 3BM42. HEAT ? HEAT shell M88P1 - Offered by UNIS group in Bosnia alongside plain M88, no explanation of how it's different from standard M88 HEAT. ? HEAT shell M04 - mentioned on an advert for the M04 KE round, typo? HE ? M86 - Unremarkable HE-FRAG type shell. Iran: APFSDS 1982 3BM9/12/15? 1993-8 Possible upgrade? HEAT 1982 Iranian 125 mm HEAT-T HE 1982 125 mm SAFIR - equivalent to 3OF19 Comments: Original deliveries probably included early ammunition. Iran locally produces the its own versions of basic HEAT and HE ammunition, and probably early APFSDS ammunition as well, although this is not confirmed. Large numbers of T-72s were delivered from Russia during the 1990s, and there was an opportunity to receive newer ammunition at that point. That is entirely conjectural, however. Iraq: APFSDS 1980 3BM9. Late '80s 125 mm Sub Caliber Hard Core Shell - 3BM12/15 HEAT 1980 3BK14/18? HE 1980 3OF19 equivalent. Comments: Original deliveries probably included early ammunition. Believed to have produced 3BM9 locally, followed by a hard-core APFSDS round that was either a 3BM12 or 3BM15 copy, and was used in the Gulf War in 1991. Production capabilities have presumably been restored, now that a decade has passed since the war, but there are no indications of more modern ammunition yet. ** I'm currently digging through book marks, but I seem to recall reading that at least one Abrams tank was struck by what was thought to be a 125mm 3BM-22 type round during the 1991 Gulf War. Has anyone seen more recent information about what they may have received since then? Israel: Doesn't use 125mm, made M711 for export ca. 1996 Kuwait: APFSDS 1990 KE shell M88? - equivalent to 3BM12. HEAT 1990 3BK14/18? HE 1990 3OF19? Comments: The Kuwaiti army had just begun to receive Yugoslavian m84s when the Gulf War broke out in 1990. The tanks were presumably equipped with Yugoslavian ammunition, including the Yugoslavian produced 3BM12, called the KE shell M88, and common rounds of the 3BK14/18 and 3OF19 type.**Surely they must have upgraded by now, if they still use the M84s? Syria: APFSDS 1980 3BM9/12/15? 1990s? Possible upgrade. Damian90 identified 3BM42 together with 3BM15 in a recent photo from the ongoing Syrian conflict.At least one source: http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/2014/12/syrias-steel-beasts-t-72.html Indicates 3BM22 as well (He refers specifically to the 3BM23 projectile and 3BM44 projectiles) This new ammo possibly acquired with or as part of the T-72As received in 1982 in exchange for a captured Israeli Magach5? HEAT 1980 3BK14/18? HE 1980 3OF19? Comments: Little information is available about Syrian ammunition holdings. They presumably received standard export ammunition with their initial shipments. Later shipments may have allowed the opportunity for newer ammunition, although this is conjecture. China: APFSDS 1992? 125-I late '90s? 125-II HEAT 1992? 3BK18 equivalent? HE 1992? 3OF19 equivalent? Comments: Precise service dates are not available, but China is believed to have fielded two APFSDS rounds, as well as generic HEAT and HE rounds for its 125 mm tanks. The 125-1 APFSDS round is available for export, and has been adopted by Pakistan. Very little information is available about the 125-II, and its performance figures are largely hypothetical. India: APFSDS 1979 3BM9/12/15? '80s-'90s Possible upgrades. 1997 T-2A. HEAT 1979 3BK14/18? HE 1979 3OF19? Notes: India is now self-sufficient in ammunition, and producing the locally developed T-2A APFSDS round. Full details are not available for the T-2A, so the performance is a general estimate only. India also bought 125 mm ammunition from Bulgaria, Hungary, Israel, and Russia in the last decade, but it is not known which types of round these represent. Pakistan: APFSDS 1992 125-IHEAT 1992 3BK18? HE 1992 125 mm HE - 3OF19 equivalent. Comments: Pakistan acquired 125 mm armed tanks from China, and now produces the Chinese 125-I APFSDS round under license. It also produces a 125 mm HE round that is equivalent to the 3OF19. There is no indication of a HEAT round, but one presumably exists, probably of the 3BK18 pattern. There are persistent rumors that Pakistan has a DU 125 mm APFSDS round, but no hard figures have emerged so far. Abkhazia: Operated a small number of T-72s. Saw combat during 2008 South Ossetia War. Up next I'll need to identify and list major users of the 115mm weapon. 100mm main guns (T-54/55) Abkhazia Operated small number of T-55, capturing some from Georgia. Afghanistan Operates about 600 T-55s but I doubt we'll ever have good info on their ammo, and I doubt they've seen major tank v tank engagements anyway. Egypt Some 900 T-55/54 in service 2003. Obviously ammunition in use during the 60s and 70s is going to be particuarly relevant with the introduction of the Centurion and Merkava Mk2. Finland In storage or scrapped now, undoubtedly. Must have gotten ammo upgrades over the years however. Georgia ? Iran ? Iraq ? North Korea ? Romania ? Yugoslavia/Serbia/Successor States ? Syria ? - Again with the ongoing conflict and with past conflicts involving Israel, lots of historical interest here. Bulgaria ? East Germany ? - With the introduction of T55AM and T55AM2, and other NATO cold war vehicles, probably lots of interest here. Poland ? - Same story. Soviet Union Dates taken from in game v 4.004: APFSDS (Coming soon, I'm tired of alt-tabbing.) HEAT HE/FRAG Missiles pretis-2013 Catalog.pdf prospekt_TAPNA.pdf Edited September 5, 2016 by Maj.Hans Added Bosnian 125mm KE Shell M04 and Slovak 125mm Tapna information and documents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashdivay Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) On 9/4/2016 at 3:38 PM, Maj.Hans said: India: APFSDS 1979 3BM9/12/15? '80s-'90s Possible upgrades. 1997 T-2A. HEAT 1979 3BK14/18? HE 1979 3OF19? Notes: India is now self-sufficient in ammunition, and producing the locally developed T-2A APFSDS round. Full details are not available for the T-2A, so the performance is a general estimate only. India also bought 125 mm ammunition from Bulgaria, Hungary, Israel, and Russia in the last decade, but it is not known which types of round these represent. India FSAPDS only : 125mm- Indian AMK-340 Mk1 -1993- present http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/lc/26.htm 125mm- Israeli CL 3254M - 1999 and 2003-2010 as of 2003 estimated 125mm rounds in Indian stockpile were 500,000 120mm - Indian T-1 - 1996 onwards http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/lc/23.htm 125mm- Russian BM-42 -2010 - present 125mm- Indian AMK-340 Mk2 - 2015 Mk2 round production was started as IMI was blacklisted for corruption charges and import of CL3254M stopped. 120mm Indian T-2 -2000 - present Various other rounds :http://www.ofbindia.gov.in/index.php?wh=A-E-P-C&lang=en Edited September 27, 2016 by ashdivay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian90 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) @Maj.Hans When it comes to Poland we use several APFSDS rounds. There are DM33/DM33A1 and DM12 rounds still in storage I believe. We have our own domestic rounds codenamed Pz.531/L-2 which is APFSDS-T and Pz.511/L-4 which is HE-T round. We also have our own training ammo, Pz.541/L-1 APFSDS-T-TP and Pz.521/L-3 HE-TP. There is also Pz.542 which is converted DM33 for training purposes, and also original DM48, also for training purposes.http://www.mesko.com.pl/materialy/info/produkty_pliki/186-pdf.pdf There are also rumors about some APFSDS ammo only for wartime use, with greater penetration potential than DM33 and Pz.531. Also in development we have Cannister round similiar to US M1028, and another more capable type of APFSDS, and also HE round variant with programmable fuze. That's for our Leopard 2A4's and Leopard 2A5's. For T-72M1's and PT-91's at the moment we have only 3BM15, 3BM22, 3BK18, 3OF19, there are some so called Pronit APFSDS rounds but only in storage as war time reserve, and there is some more modern ammo, one offered by PGZ.http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi1276.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy465%2FMILITARYSTA%2F125mmapfsdspolski_zpsbbf62f90.png&key=1kGTjjOtXAebPizJSoM06Q&w=800&hhttp://mesko-pionki.pl/amunicja125mm.html And other in development with penetrator based probably on same solutions as Pz.531/L-2. Edited September 27, 2016 by Damian90 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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