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Stand-in for the AMX-30?

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I'm tempted to make a mission where AMX-30s participate, however the issue is that we lack them ¬¬

So, I'm intending on using the Leopard AS1 as a stand-in for it. What systems should be disabled on it to reduce its effectiveness to AMX-30 standards?

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depend if you want to emulate AMX 30B or AMX 30B2.
The 30B have optical range finder like M60A1  ,   the 30B2 have a laser range finder with FCS , and I think (I am not sure) , when you lase the target , your reticule fall down and you must rise the reticule to the target for right corections...

both version have 20mm auto canon in coax.

and both have HK function on TC , (sure for B2) .

both lack of stabillisation .

The TC don't have CITV but juste a cuplola with 7 episcopes for 360° view.
I hope I send right informations

Edited by kalash

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46 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Use Ammo:

HEAT  (the french one)

HE

WP

 

Froggy, no KE ammunition for the AMX-30 ?

 

I have an unreleased scenario replicating the lopsided victory of Qatari AMX-30s against Iraqi T-55s at Khafji, and another quick one based on 4 Dragoons out on the left flank during the ground war.  I might need to go back and edit, I think I used Leopard AS1 with a mix of ammo.

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5 hours ago, Maj.Hans said:

 

Froggy, no KE ammunition for the AMX-30 ?

 

I have an unreleased scenario replicating the lopsided victory of Qatari AMX-30s against Iraqi T-55s at Khafji, and another quick one based on 4 Dragoons out on the left flank during the ground war.  I might need to go back and edit, I think I used Leopard AS1 with a mix of ammo.

I would be very interested in your 4th Dragoons mission (

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14 minutes ago, Froggy said:

I would be very interested in your 4th Dragoons mission (

 

It needs an update, very very badly, and it's based on just a scant few details so it's more fiction than fact, but I think I'll rework it and release it soon.

 

Now that I know AMX-30 didn't have stabilization, and now that the Marder can be used as an AMX-10P stand in, it's going to be quite different I think.

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I was tc on AMX30B, AMX30B2, Leclerc, ERC90, VAB, VBL.

I learned to shoot on board of AMX10RC, AMX10P, VBCI, Leopard2A4, Challenger 2.

I have some books about the Daguet Division run in Irak, with maps.

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1 hour ago, Froggy said:

I was tc on AMX30B, AMX30B2, Leclerc, ERC90, VAB, VBL.

I learned to shoot on board of AMX10RC, AMX10P, VBCI, Leopard2A4, Challenger 2.

I have some books about the Daguet Division run in Irak, with maps.

Hi Froggy,

 

Offtopic question: what would be a good stand-in for the VBCI?

 

Thanks for the info!

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59 minutes ago, lavictoireestlavie said:

btw Froggy , what is the difference between the HL-120 and HL-80 commander's panoramic sights?

not the same termal imager (Alis for HL80, Iris for HL120)

 

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Hi Froggy,

 

Offtopic question: what would be a good stand-in for the VBCI?

 

Thanks for the info! [/quote]

 

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Actually....

 

What about M60A3(TTS) as an AMX30 stand in with thermals disabled?

 

AMX30 has no stab, but M60 can't fire on the move anyway in Pro PE.

AMX30 has a .30 and a 20mm, M60 has a .30 and with SLAP, or maybe with the Danish "APDS" .50 round that makes explosions, the TC has a good stand in for the 20mm.....

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22 hours ago, Froggy said:

Yes, similar to AMX30B.

Disable :

- stab

- LRF

- Gunner primary sight

 

Use Ammo:

HEAT  (the french one)

HE

WP

 

15 hours ago, Froggy said:

Oh, if it's post 82', you can add an APFSDS, V0 1525 m/s

 

When did the French start to export KE ammunition?

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On 9/12/2016 at 1:22 PM, kalash said:

depend if you want to emulate AMX 30B or AMX 30B2.
The 30B have optical range finder like M60A1  ,   the 30B2 have a laser range finder with FCS , and I think (I am not sure) , when you lase the target , your reticule fall down and you must rise the reticule to the target for right corections...

both version have 20mm auto canon in coax.

and both have HK function on TC , (sure for B2) .

both lack of stabillisation .

The TC don't have CITV but juste a cuplola with 7 episcopes for 360° view.
I hope I send right informations

 

 

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During the production run, many improvements were implemented. These included gun stabilization from 1971...

 

I think you can leave the stabilization enabled for later vehicles.

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The stabilization was only on AMX30C, evolution of AMX30S. It has never been fielded.

AMX32 had fire on the move from TC only, but as AMX30C, was never sold.

It should have replaced AMX30B, but was judged too costly in 1979.

Instead, they adopted AMX30B2, with gearbox, FCS, thicker mantlet of AMX32 and APFSDS.

Later, even AMX30B received the new engraved reticle with APFSDS marks.

 

After 1990, AMX30B2 were only in squadrons of tanks of Cavalry regiments, while AMX30B were still in company of tanks in Infantry regiments, except the 2nd Dragoons, which kept it AMX30B until it dissolution in 1997.

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1 hour ago, Maj.Hans said:

Actually....

 

What about M60A3(TTS) as an AMX30 stand in with thermals disabled?

 

AMX30 has no stab, but M60 can't fire on the move anyway in Pro PE.

AMX30 has a .30 and a 20mm, M60 has a .30 and with SLAP, or maybe with the Danish "APDS" .50 round that makes explosions, the TC has a good stand in for the 20mm.....

 

The AMX was a product of the same mode of thinking that lead to the Leopard 1. Actually they have the same origins in the Europa-Panzer project. Hence my focus on using the Leopard AS1 as a stand in. Their design philosophies are similar.

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1 hour ago, Maj.Hans said:

Actually....

 

What about M60A3(TTS) as an AMX30 stand in with thermals disabled?

 

AMX30 has no stab, but M60 can't fire on the move anyway in Pro PE.

AMX30 has a .30 and a 20mm, M60 has a .30 and with SLAP, or maybe with the Danish "APDS" .50 round that makes explosions, the TC has a good stand in for the 20mm.....

The AMX30B2 of ODS had thermal imager (CASTOR). They were taken from brand new tanks delivered in 1990 to 12th Cuirassiers.

I have to check the FCS of Leopard 1A5 GE if it can make a better subtitute, with stab off.

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