TSe419E Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Eisenschwein said: The Loader can (I think even german Tank Crews don´t know that) elivate the Breech Position with a Potentiometer (is this right in english?) to his best Loading Position. Yes, that is the right word. "Rheostat" would also work 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 07/07/2018 at 7:52 AM, Eisenschwein said: I´m not 100% sure, but I think you can switch "Loading Position" off..... Seem to remeber Ssnake saying loading position is off under NBC conditions, As the breech doesn't auto open and how this could slow the loader as he had to 1st open the breech, then load a round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Open the Breech under NBC Conditions is not the best Idea, because the Overpresure inside the Tank will drop.... So first of all you have to put your NBC Mask/Equipment on and that will slow you down a lot more... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 The logic behind the thinking is: If the loader is any good he will have the next round in the gun PDQ. (Pretty Damn Quick) Thereby minimising the time the gun is open. Rather than faff around opening breech > getting a round out the rack > loading it As step 1 is already done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Hedgehog said: If the loader is any good he will have the next round in the gun PDQ. (Pretty Damn Quick) "PDQ" is still too long. They need to be at TOPP / MOPP-2 and then mask up and put on gloves (MOPP-4) before opening the breach. Mask Only - Protective mask is carried. MOPP Ready — Protective mask is carried. First set of suit, gloves, and boots are available within two hours, second set within six hours. MOPP Level 0 — Worn: nothing. Carried: Protective mask. Immediately Available: suit, boots and gloves. MOPP Level 1 — Worn: suit. Carried: Protective mask. Immediately Available: boots and gloves MOPP Level 2 — Worn: suit and boots. Carried: Protective mask and gloves. MOPP Level 3 — Worn: suit, boots and mask. Carried: gloves. MOPP Level 4 — All protection worn. Then you need to assume that the inside is contaminated until you get to a decontamination station (x days later). Edited July 25, 2018 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 After a short reading the FM: There are no conections between the NBC System an the FCS. This System contents of two Parts, One is the Overpressure and Filter System. This System gets contaminated Air over 3 Filters in to the Tank and produces a Overpressure of 4 mBar (or 4 cm water column, its nice at rainy conditions too) The other Part is the so called Auflauframpe, that is the mechanism that open the Breech after firing a Round, this mechanism can be switched off. Loading Position is activated by a Switch called "Rohr vorn" (Gun Front). So, even under NBC Conditions the FCS must go into Loading Position if Breech opens or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 I’ve done surgeries easier than these procedures. my god youre supposed to memorise all that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Look at your Car. And look at your Car from 1990 ;-) You only have to know it if it didn´t work......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Eisenschwein said: Look at your Car. And look at your Car from 1990 ;-) You only have to know it if it didn´t work......... aha so its on a need to know basis 😂 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 11:33 AM, Gibsonm said: AMX-13, T-55? On 7/6/2018 at 7:08 PM, Nike-Ajax said: The Shot Kal which is basically an upgraded Israeli Centurion? I tried aiming in chinese farm with shot kal but failed miserably. kentucky windage helped but I yet to know which of the meatballs or the other shenanigans on the GPS to use for engaging. Hell I dont know what is the difference between a HEAT and a HESH round. Gotta read some. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike-Ajax Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, wildbillkelsoe said: I tried aiming in chinese farm with shot kal but failed miserably. kentucky windage helped but I yet to know which of the meatballs or the other shenanigans on the GPS to use for engaging. Hell I dont know what is the difference between a HEAT and a HESH round. Gotta read some. The Meatballs are for HEAT … and requires a very steady hand, good mathematical skills and luck to hit anything beyond 1000 meters with that. The little lines at the top is for APFSDS, and those are actually pretty good at hitting. A suggestion is the scenario Night Ptrol in Golan (I THINK thats whats it called). I tweaked it in scenario editor to make a daylight scenario - good for training with the Centurion. Edited July 25, 2018 by Nike-Ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, wildbillkelsoe said: I tried aiming in chinese farm with shot kal but failed miserably. kentucky windage helped but I yet to know which of the meatballs or the other shenanigans on the GPS to use for engaging. Hell I dont know what is the difference between a HEAT and a HESH round. Gotta read some. Try reading this post and a few after it: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Gibsonm said: Try reading this post and a few after it: as always, Mark to the rescue 👍🏻 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Nike-Ajax said: The Meatballs are for HEAT … and requires a very steady hand, good mathematical skills and luck to hit anything beyond 1000 meters with that. The little lines at the top is for APFSDS, and those are actually pretty good at hitting. A suggestion is the scenario Night Ptrol in Golan (I THINK thats whats it called). I tweaked it in scenario editor to make a daylight scenario - good for training with the Centurion. Thanks ajax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin 7 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Eisenschwein said: After a short reading the FM: There are no conections between the NBC System an the FCS. This System contents of two Parts, One is the Overpressure and Filter System. This System gets contaminated Air over 3 Filters in to the Tank and produces a Overpressure of 4 mBar (or 4 cm water column, its nice at rainy conditions too) The other Part is the so called Auflauframpe, that is the mechanism that open the Breech after firing a Round, this mechanism can be switched off. Loading Position is activated by a Switch called "Rohr vorn" (Gun Front). So, even under NBC Conditions the FCS must go into Loading Position if Breech opens or not. Yeah there shouldn’t be. The NBC system should be its own subsystem. The Abrams Breech when the guns goes out of battery. The Breech block roller goes on top of the Cam and then when the Breech is coming back in to battery the Breech Block is lower from the roller. The Afcap deflector stays up then is dropped from the loader lowering the arm handle ( putting the Main Gun in Mechanical Safe) which then the loader would load another round. Edited July 26, 2018 by Assassin 7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 is there any tank with a fully modeled driver compartment? one where you can interact with controls by mouse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSe419E Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) M60A3 is well modeled but I don’t think that it has clickable controls like the gunner’s position. Edited July 27, 2018 by TSe419E 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 27, 2018 Members Share Posted July 27, 2018 Steel Beasts is a combat procedure simulation, not a driving simulator. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbillkelsoe Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Ssnake said: Steel Beasts is a combat procedure simulation, not a driving simulator. thanks I know. It is a general question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger668 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 8:23 PM, Hedgehog said: Seem to remeber Ssnake saying loading position is off under NBC conditions, As the breech doesn't auto open and how this could slow the loader as he had to 1st open the breech, then load a round. Under NBC conditions, the Loader can set the breech to not automatically open after a round is fired. The gun will still fire and return to the load position, BUT the breech will not open automatically. The Loader has to manually open the breech, unload the casing or "ash-tray" and then load the next round. It massively slows the rate of fire, but is done because of the original safe regulations in which a Loader is not allow to "lap load" or have a round in his/her hands while a round is in the barrel. This is because A) if a round penetrates the turret, it could set off the round in the Loader's hand or B) if the Loader drops the round or gets it jammed, it can break the casing and let propellant everywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted August 9, 2018 Members Share Posted August 9, 2018 It is done to maintain the overpressure of the NBC system to prevent contaminants to enter the vehicle. If the round was ejected the overpressure would vent through the open gun barrel. By keeping the stub, the breech block is "sealed enough" to prevent a rapid outflow of filtrated air. The theory is that if you open the gun barrel in a contaminated zone, the air rushing out will for a few moments keep the contamination outside while you put in a new cartridge, and the next shot will cleanse the inside of the gun barrel with pushing out possible dust, or burning harmful chemicals with the hot propellant gases. Maybe it's true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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