Scottsbmw Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 My Choice.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 My Choice.... +10 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[]_--__[]KITT Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Merkava Mk 4!:smilelove-1:Errr Le Clerc?:biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I second KT, only with a Mk2 (when it arrives) with DL2 Armour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrborg Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 M60, one of the early modells without TIS and all that electronic crap! More old-school to SB! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipuli Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I approve the post above this one...Zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackworth Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 In that case Nik, we need T-62s or T-55s too! ooo and I've always liked the T-64 which was still in use in the 80's... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipuli Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 T-62, 55 and those are ready in the poster Hopes are up... Zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 M60, one of the early modells without TIS and all that electronic crap! More old-school to SB! Wow, you really are old school. The first M1 tankers were green with envy over the M-60A3 TTS's TIS. And you don't want any of that fine kit: steam gunnery all the way. Hard Core...:cool3: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooker Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 The merk is a good tank suposed to have great armor protction, but a couple were knocked out by rpgs hitting them in the rear where troops disembark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[]_--__[]KITT Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I've learned not to 'worship' any military hardware as being 'invincible war winning machine' no matter what. The Merky was really an eye-opener.It's always easier(cheaper) to destroy things than to build it no matter how you tried to protect it.When the Israelis have dealt with their bitter disappointment I hope they learn their mistake not to be overly confident on their war machine instead put the the emphasis on training and never underestimate your opponents. Wise plan, quality training and quick thinking that win the day on a battlefield not just the hardware.Just my 2 cents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11E Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 that merkava has been welded shut, and stripped of all internal equipment.additionally, its an experimental merkava tank.Last summer the opening in the back was open and it was possible to get in. Two months later I was in the panzermuseum again and the closed it with a padlock(sp?).What surprised me is that the instructions in the tank were partly in English / Hebrew and German (intercom system).How you get fully packed infantry in the back I don't know. I'am 1.93 mtr and didn't have any infantry equipment on me but I had to crawl on my knees in and out. Sitting inside on the supposed infantry bench I had to bend my neck and back. Personally, it looked more an easy opening in the back to resupply the tank with ammo. The ''benches'' looked also more as ammo storage containers than seats for infantry.Regards,Lesley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 _--__[]KITT;147253']I've learned not to 'worship' any military hardware as being 'invincible war winning machine' no matter what. The Merky was really an eye-opener.It's always easier(cheaper) to destroy things than to build it no matter how you tried to protect it.When the Israelis have dealt with their bitter disappointment I hope they learn their mistake not to be overly confident on their war machine instead put the the emphasis on training and never underestimate your opponents. Wise plan' date=' quality training and quick thinking that win the day on a battlefield not just the hardware.Just my 2 cents[/quote']You nailed it on the head KITT. Training, initiative and the will to fight win battles and wars, not the quality of equipment. Though when it comes to total war, it is how much equipment that you can pump out which is the deciding factor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooker Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 This was true in the Sherman vs Tiger in WWII. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[]_--__[]KITT Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hmm I think me and TankHunter are talking about infantry anti tank weapons being fielded against the Merkava. Not sure which one was the 'Tiger' which one was the 'Sherman'.Let's just say I saw the battle:frown:.And no I'm not part of Hizbollah:) or the IDF or any govt agency....obviously 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 It could be applicable to any conflict. But as regards the Israeli Hezbullah war, well trained light infantry who have competent leadership, in good defensive positions should cause a fair amount of damage to enemy armor. Heck, just look at the Soviet Afghan war as another example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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