Lumituisku Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) My friend has an argument that loader on Steelbeast, atleast in Leopards says "Up" too early. Is that so? I guess there might be dogrine differences on the matter as well. Edited July 2, 2021 by Lumituisku 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 In real life there is no way for the loader to know, if gun, after chambering a fresh round, is actually ready to fire or not. E.g., as a rule of the thumb, he announces 'Up!"( or 'Ready!') when he cleared recoil path, disengaged safety and bustle door( if present) is closed; this has nothing to do with gun being back in coincidence with GPS LOS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 2, 2021 Members Share Posted July 2, 2021 On the Leopard, the loader would also press the "Arm"button to enable the firing circuit. Wouldn't be surprised if the audio cue is being played immediately as the cartridge is inserted (in zero time...). Then again, you can have overly eager loaders in real life too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumituisku Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) @Ssnake @Jartsev Also.. video is from multicrew.. I suppose there is some latency included between server - client. Edited July 2, 2021 by Lumituisku 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Jartsev said: E.g., as a rule of the thumb, he announces 'Up!"( or 'Ready!') ... or "Loaded". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumituisku Posted July 3, 2021 Author Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) I started to think... That as you hear on video there is significant delay that is probably caused by network synch issues. And that in this case that delay makes difference to a thing that on normal circumstances wouldn't have been noticed. Normally difference between loader saying up and when gun is released would have made no practical difference at all so it probably was easiest to code it to moment when round was chambered. However this is a military sim, isn't this? I have heart many times mention of why things are something because of safety procedures of doing things right. But as we can hear on video... Network latency can cause this to sound that loader is saying up, before safety is released. - And this isn't only thing... There are so many small things Adding to que.. as on topic "bouncing hatches, ramps, and hammerhead" illustrates. Also .. previously months ago I wrote about how i as server cannot rely on seeing same as gunner does when he is firing on target. All i hope that future writing of code will be made more rugged and network latency tolerable. Even if things would behave more slowly because of latency. Perhaps network latency that makes things happen more slowly could be thought as battle fatigue or similar Perhaps not every customer can have their crew training happen in same place or same country. Because specialization for... Drones maybe or radars? Maybe there will come new COVID-19 like situation to world where having crews training together would be difficult. Or some other limitation... Because our world is constantly changing. Climate, politics, nature of availability of what we currently may take granted. I have high faith to you guys! Edited July 3, 2021 by Lumituisku 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO MO Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Curious, in reality, if the Leopard 2 loader is killed, can the vehicle continue to fight? After all, the loading panel is in the loader position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 4, 2021 Members Share Posted July 4, 2021 The commander would hop to the loader's place, and lead the vehicle from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHussar Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Ssnake said: The commander would hop to the loader's place, and lead the vehicle from there. In my day I would've put the gunner into the loaders seat and carried on commanding and firing the gun from the commanders seat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted July 4, 2021 Members Share Posted July 4, 2021 That's another option of course, but probably ties up more of the vehicle commander's attention. Loading is something you have to do only after you started an engagement, and which point the gunner porobably doesn't need much guidance (depending on the type of engagement, of course). Outside of engagements, I'd prefer the commander to lead the vehicle from above hatch, with binoculars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO MO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 17 hours ago, Ssnake said: The commander would hop to the loader's place, and lead the vehicle from there. thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO MO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 hours ago, IrishHussar said: In my day I would've put the gunner into the loaders seat and carried on commanding and firing the gun from the commanders seat. cool 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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