deees Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 There are numerous references that list the manufacturing date for the A4 variant of the Leopard 2 as 1985. Does anyone know the actual date that the A4 variant was fielded, (specifically in the Fulda Gap region?) If you have personal knowledge, please state that. If you have a reference, please include a link to it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycut Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 This site has all kind of Leo 2 information. Maybe the year of variant is also here https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Leopard_2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deees Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 Thanks, I found that too. Unfortunately, they don't mention when that were actually being used in the field. I'm looking for when the tank units in that region when actively using them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycut Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 https://wiki.warthunder.com/Battle_for_the_Fulda_Gap How about this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Here you go: https://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=Vehicle_timeline 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Hedgehog said: Here you go: https://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=Vehicle_timeline He's after specifically when they were deployed in Fuda, not the more general date for introduction into service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gibsonm said: He's after specifically when they were deployed in Fuda, not the more general date for introduction into service. As that area was the AoR of an US corps, the question may be moot.... Or answered with: Not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Grenny said: As that area was the AoR of an US corps, the question may be moot.... Or answered with: Not. Yes I was struggling too. Pretty sure the Bundeswehr / Heer was up North. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) Im sure Ssnake would know Edited February 27, 2022 by mpow66m afvbafb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 @Ssnake? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Hedgehog said: @Ssnake? Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 27, 2022 Members Share Posted February 27, 2022 19 hours ago, deees said: There are numerous references that list the manufacturing date for the A4 variant of the Leopard 2 as 1985. Does anyone know the actual date that the A4 variant was fielded, (specifically in the Fulda Gap region?) Going by the book from Walter Spielberger "Waffensysteme Leopard 1 und Leopard 2", the prime reference about the early production variants... pages 319ff. The first 2A4 variants were produced in the fifth production lot, 370 vehicles, from (end of) 1985-1987. (This suggests a production rate of about .5 tanks per day; with 54 tanks required for a tank battalion per TO&E of the time 108 days would be required, about four months; therefore, by the end of 1986 three tank battalions can be expected to be equipped with it). The sixth production lot was 150 vehicles, delivered between January 1988 to May 1989, roughly another three tank battalions. This was followed by the seventh production lot, 100 vehicles, from May 1989 to April 1990 (exactly one year), the equivalent of two tank battalions. The final, eighth production lot was 75 vehicles, delivered between January 1991 and March 1992. Aside from producing new tanks, older variants were upgraded to the A4 standard (which explains the drop in production rates). As the biggest threat was seen in the northern half of Germany (e.g. by a Soviet thrust towards Bremerhaven to deny the port facilities for Reforger reinforcements arriving by transatlantic convoy), the 1st PzDiv was also the first to receive Leopard 2s (but these would have been the older production lots). It is quite conceivable that the Bavarian and Hessian tank battalions received the 2A4 production lots straight from the factory; the division in Schleswig Holstein (north of Hamburg) held on to their Leopard 1s the longest (expecting to fight Polish PT-76s and T-55s). But I have never cared about which battalion received which tank model when exactly. My focus is on the technical development (and then only up to the point that it has a direct impact on combat value; that FEX the smoke dischargers in early production lot had no protective rail or that the position of a roadwheel pair was adjusted to reduce wear on certain weld joints is the kind of information that Steel Beasts will happily gloss over, and so will I. Which unit where received which production lot when exactly is the kind of detail that falls into the wargaming domain. There are more qualified people than me in that field, and I'll happily cede the battleground to them in the Alpha Nerd contest. The Spielberger book at least doesn't mention to which units the production lots were delivered. I remember from Tank Commander's course at the Armor School in Munster that classmates from the Southwest (Baden-Württemberg) proudly reported having received tanks from the seventh production lot, and we looked at at least one eigth lot tank with the different side skirts in the Armor School motorpool while I was there for the platoon leader's course (which must have been in spring '91). Eighth lot (possibly also the seventh) received new radio sets that took up less space in the turret which I remember because the old SEM25s were a bitch to mount and to remove due to two 8mm bolts at the far back where you could barely slide the wrench in, so you could turn them only a sixth turn on every attempt and had to pull the wrench and re-set it every time. And then the thing was heavy and you could barely slip your fingers between it and the recess walls to pull it out. Bah. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Fond memories of your youth? 🙂 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Solution Ssnake Posted February 27, 2022 Members Solution Share Posted February 27, 2022 The original question asked about personal knowledge, so I figured it might be justified to include this bit in my reply, rather than just quoting from a book (as good as it may be). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deees Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ssnake said: The original question asked about personal knowledge, so I figured it might be justified to include this bit in my reply, rather than just quoting from a book (as good as it may be). Ssnake, Thank you for your response. That was what I was requesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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