iamfritz Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) I did a battle with M-1A2s going up against a force of T-14s and T-90s. Two times in a row, my 2nd section fires SABOT rounds which go through/skip across 3 or 4 T-14 turret tops. Here's the video: https://studio.youtube.com/video/HfajPuvXWCU/edit Edited February 27, 2022 by iamfritz show current video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 27, 2022 Members Share Posted February 27, 2022 13 hours ago, iamfritz said: I did a battle with M-1A2s going up against a force of T-14s and T-90s. Two times in a row, my 2nd section fires SABOT rounds which go through/skip across 3 or 4 T-14 turret tops. Here's the video: Looked at it; the interesting bit would have been to look at these events in the AAR. The Armata's turret is unmanned and therefore only lightly armored - which in turn creates less spall in the case of a successful perforation. So the question is, what kind of damages would you expect from such events. We tone down the damage on light vehicles form APFSDS precisely because of the lower amount of debris generated in the perforation process, and then the debris isn't hitting a human crew but metallic components. Which may or may not be able to handle the impacts. Not saying that our model is perfect. But still the question is whether it's "very wrong" or "just a bit wrong". And knowing what kind of damages occurred and what the projectile trajectories were in these events is crucial here, and your video isn't showing any of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamfritz Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ssnake said: Looked at it; the interesting bit would have been to look at these events in the AAR. The Armata's turret is unmanned and therefore only lightly armored - which in turn creates less spall in the case of a successful perforation. So the question is, what kind of damages would you expect from such events. We tone down the damage on light vehicles form APFSDS precisely because of the lower amount of debris generated in the perforation process, and then the debris isn't hitting a human crew but metallic components. Which may or may not be able to handle the impacts. Not saying that our model is perfect. But still the question is whether it's "very wrong" or "just a bit wrong". And knowing what kind of damages occurred and what the projectile trajectories were in these events is crucial here, and your video isn't showing any of that. Oh, forgive me if I implied it wasn't realistic- I just think it's cool. I always save my AARs so I'll go back and look at it,post pics or video when I get the time. It was a short one so should be easy to find! Edited February 27, 2022 by iamfritz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 27, 2022 Members Share Posted February 27, 2022 Ah, I see. I completely misread what it was about. Silly me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poofydoodle Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I had something similar happen in a mp game where my scimitar got disabled and i had t72 rounds punching through my hull like a bb gun through paper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted March 1, 2022 Moderators Share Posted March 1, 2022 So I guess since this thread is about it being "cool" and not about a bug, then it should be moved to the general forum? 🤔 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 1, 2022 Members Share Posted March 1, 2022 Why not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfseven Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 there that fixes the problem of your link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Lakowski Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yes As a rule of thumb , powerful shots going though very thin armor is unlikely to spall much at all ....but surely protecting the gun etc has to be considered important enough to warrant very good ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 8, 2022 Members Share Posted March 8, 2022 Looks however as it's protected against medium calibers only. Plus, of course, lots of unprotected sensors outside (but in all fairness, protecting sensors is often simply not possible). So, the T-14 Armata seems to be easily mission-killed at least with airburst munitions (not everybody has them) - but very good in protecting the crew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Lakowski Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Thanks Nils , I guess that's about time . Does this assume any "turret popping" means the crew can escape possibly "safely" ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumituisku Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 If i have understood correctly. Turret popping is actually hellishly violent and fast explosion with tremendous shock effect. What little i have seen of ammunition exploded tank hulls. I highly doubt it to be survivable even if you were in somewhat protected capsule. The hulls of tanks have so badly deformed... That when that happens instantly... I don't think it is survivable. On world war 2... Big enough artillery shell landing on bunker roof without penetration.. was still able to cause men's ears bleed... If not more. And when we're talking of ammunition explosion... Behind you... Behind a resonating armor capsule person would be inside... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) On 3/8/2022 at 2:20 PM, Lumituisku said: If i have understood correctly. Turret popping is actually hellishly violent and fast explosion with tremendous shock effect. What little i have seen of ammunition exploded tank hulls. I highly doubt it to be survivable even if you were in somewhat protected capsule. The hulls of tanks have so badly deformed... That when that happens instantly... I don't think it is survivable. On world war 2... Big enough artillery shell landing on bunker roof without penetration.. was still able to cause men's ears bleed... If not more. And when we're talking of ammunition explosion... Behind you... Behind a resonating armor capsule person would be inside... still, the ammunition bunker on the abrams has been hit, and the crew has survived. effect in SB however is underwhelming. in real life you will have a fire geyser shooting out of the ammunition hatches, and you need to traverse turret over to the side in order to avoid engine from catching fire from the hot glowing sparks falling down Edited March 12, 2022 by dejawolf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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