zerocrack01 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 My mouse flickers very strongly in the main menu. Any ideas what is causing that behaviour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 7, 2023 Members Share Posted February 7, 2023 Does that happen only in fullscreen, or also in windowed mode? (Alt+W toggles) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Ssnake said: Does that happen only in fullscreen, or also in windowed mode? (Alt+W toggles) Only in fullscreen mode 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 8, 2023 Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 I have no immediate idea why this would be the case, to be perfectly honest with you. Depending on the power of your graphics card and your native screen resolution it might be simplest to ignore the issue, and switch to the borderless windowed mode, as described in this video:  I mean, I have had a similar case once when I started to experiment with setting the multitasking priority level of processes in the Windows Task Manager, maybe some 15, 20 years ago. Turned out that increasing the priority of the mouse process did not result in a smoother mouse pointer movement, but a flickering mess. We could all start googling the web for people with a similar experience and see what kind of recommendations on "reasonable" websites (such as MS tech net/knowledge database) resulted in a solution. Since I'll be out of the office for a business trip in a few minutes, that might be the way to go if the borderless window mode isn't a good compromise. Otherwise, using that will be a giant time saver for you. Yes, it's giving a preference to a mere workaround and doesn't actually solve the underlying reason for the issue, which at least for me leaves a mental itch that I'd like to scratch but can't. Kinda feels like defeat. But it's the pragmatic thing to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ssnake said: I have no immediate idea why this would be the case, to be perfectly honest with you. Depending on the power of your graphics card and your native screen resolution it might be simplest to ignore the issue, and switch to the borderless windowed mode, as described in this video:  I mean, I have had a similar case once when I started to experiment with setting the multitasking priority level of processes in the Windows Task Manager, maybe some 15, 20 years ago. Turned out that increasing the priority of the mouse process did not result in a smoother mouse pointer movement, but a flickering mess. We could all start googling the web for people with a similar experience and see what kind of recommendations on "reasonable" websites (such as MS tech net/knowledge database) resulted in a solution. Since I'll be out of the office for a business trip in a few minutes, that might be the way to go if the borderless window mode isn't a good compromise. Otherwise, using that will be a giant time saver for you. Yes, it's giving a preference to a mere workaround and doesn't actually solve the underlying reason for the issue, which at least for me leaves a mental itch that I'd like to scratch but can't. Kinda feels like defeat. But it's the pragmatic thing to do. using the command --fullscreenwindow=true does not work. Howerver in the command list the following command is written: --fullscreenwindow [=arg(=true)] (=false)                                        Causes the application to be displayed in a window that has the same size as                                        the current desktop resolution. Window border and caption will be hidden. Note                                        that this does not work correctly with high DPI settings.  The second thing I noticed is that it appears inconsitenly. Sometimes is flickers very strongly when booting up a screen, sometimes it is much less, it changes from screen to screen and not during the same screen. I am not pushing you and it is not life threatining, but I just wanna report it. Edited February 8, 2023 by zerocrack01 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 8, 2023 Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 You don't have to add the "=true" part to the command. Maybe that helps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 41 minutes ago, Ssnake said: You don't have to add the "=true" part to the command. Maybe that helps? Nope 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 8, 2023 Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 How does it "not work"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, Ssnake said: How does it "not work"? Sorry, I mean it does nox fix the flickering problem. It does apply the command line (it would return an error if the command is mistyped or wrong), but either way, with "=true" or without, the same flickering issue remains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 8, 2023 Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 ...but you wrote that it doesn't flicker in windowed mode...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution zerocrack01 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Solution Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Ssnake said: ...but you wrote that it doesn't flicker in windowed mode...? I found out, that you must choose window mode in the options first and restart the app with the "--fullscreenwindow" command. The command alone wont work. The windows taskbar is still visible, so i must change that to autohide. NOW, the workaround works. Not a fan of hiding the taskbar, but that is the solution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 2/8/2023 at 7:00 PM, Ssnake said: ...but you wrote that it doesn't flicker in windowed mode...? After trying out windows mode for some time I must say that the workaround is insuficient. I have no flickering mouse, but instead of that, very noticable stuttering of the whole application, commpared to exclusive fullscreen. It is quite bummer, because you need the mouse a lot for commanding your troops etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 Have you tried googling this? There seems to be a fairly large number of hits, e.g. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-pointer-shows-in-fullscreen-gaming-when-it/3f57108a-3f59-4ea1-8b7f-36c66c28706d https://superuser.com/questions/1151217/windows-10-screen-flicker-only-on-certain-apps-when-full-screened https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-cursor-flickering-on-windows-10/1ac2f0be-188d-4404-aa43-28a203dc1f48 https://www.thewindowsclub.com/pointer-keeps-flickering-on-windows https://appuals.com/pointer-keeps-flickering-windows-11/ Â Since nobody else has recently reported such an issue, I'm rather confident that this is a configuration or driver issue on your local computer. I don't think that we could help you directly with this, there's just too many variables involved. If you have a backup mouse from a different vendor, it might be worth trying it out to see if the matter is related to your mouse/mouse driver (assuming that your backup mouse uses a different driver). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ssnake said: Have you tried googling this? There seems to be a fairly large number of hits, e.g. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-pointer-shows-in-fullscreen-gaming-when-it/3f57108a-3f59-4ea1-8b7f-36c66c28706d https://superuser.com/questions/1151217/windows-10-screen-flicker-only-on-certain-apps-when-full-screened https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-cursor-flickering-on-windows-10/1ac2f0be-188d-4404-aa43-28a203dc1f48 https://www.thewindowsclub.com/pointer-keeps-flickering-on-windows https://appuals.com/pointer-keeps-flickering-windows-11/ Â Since nobody else has recently reported such an issue, I'm rather confident that this is a configuration or driver issue on your local computer. I don't think that we could help you directly with this, there's just too many variables involved. If you have a backup mouse from a different vendor, it might be worth trying it out to see if the matter is related to your mouse/mouse driver (assuming that your backup mouse uses a different driver). I tried to TS this issue since quite a while, clean reinstall of drivers, install lagency driver etc. Also unpluged all usb devices, uninstall the mouse, tried another mouse and other usb ports. Changing mouse options etc. It get's more and more trivial and frustrating. Â Most threads are about flickering when you use windows normaly and one thread with fullscreen apps with no solution. I dont have this issue anywhere else, only with SB so far. I found out that is correlates with the FPS, at least for me. Maybe not directly, but when you are close to reach the maximum "sustainable FPS" of SB. Sorry for suspecting the application with such quirk. Â Issue starts 1-2 seconds later, after loading up SB. There I have close to 65 FPS ingame Vsync on or off + fullscreen --> Issue With windowed mode I have close to 63 FPS --> no flickering Limit via GPU driver the FPS to 60 -->no flickering in fullscreen, (seems not super smooth, but you would not suspect flicker) Tried 30FPS --> mouse seems more smooth in fullscreen, but that is very subjective Changed GPU max clock from 2800MHz to 500Mhz GPU to a very low frequency --> also no issues. Â They reason why I say that it might be not directly corelated to the FPS count is that, between windowed mode and fullscreen, i get similar FPS around 62-63 on a taxing mission on the map UI. But in window mode a tiny little bit less + the stutter in 3D. Â Now I must manually limit the FPS, because limiting FPS does not work with application settings, only globaly and then unlock it every time I use something else where i do not want just 60 FPS of course. Or artifially lower the GPU performance, which is ridicilous in SB, where you need 3 times of the hardware performance for minimal gains FPS wise. I wonder what others have what FPS in menues with what GPU. Edited February 15, 2023 by zerocrack01 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 Okay, that's at least some interesting leads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocrack01 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Installed RTSS just for that already maddening issue, which is of course a "driver issue", made a profile for SB with a framelimiter with 60 FPS. At least i can see my mouse courser while printing out the breifing via PDF soo i can zoom in and actually read it. I know, i know version 5 will fix many things. Oh man, sorry for that. It really drove me mad already. 😅 Edited February 15, 2023 by zerocrack01 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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