Koen Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I'm slowly starting to build a Cold War era-scenario, starring the Belgian Brigade.The Belgian Army used Scimitars as light recce tanks.As the Scimitar is not present in SB, which vehicle would be the best stand-in ?http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/7413/fv107scimitar.htmlThx for any feedback,Koen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GH_Lieste Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 BMD-2 without Missile or troops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 24, 2009 Members Share Posted May 24, 2009 Make sure to change the ammo to AP only; if I am not mistaken the Brits never acquired HE munitions for the 30mm Rarden gun (don't know about Belgium, though). Another option might be the LAV-25 but it's wheeled, not tracked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GH_Lieste Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 FWIW JCOVE gives the Scimitar both HE and AP rounds. Could be an error though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngel Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Pizzaro if you can handle the troops bieng on board. It looks more like a warrior than a scimitar though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 25, 2009 Members Share Posted May 25, 2009 The primary disadvantage of the Pizarro is that it has significantly better armor protection, and its 30mm APFSDS outperforms the 30mm AP rounds of the Rarden gun significantly. Then again, at least it's a playable vehicle, if that is required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GH_Lieste Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) The BMD was suggested as it is amphibious, has high mobility and is small. (And it has a nice new 3D)The Pizarro is large, slower and cannot swim. The same is true of most of the other IFVsTo some extent armour protection can be countered by escalating medium calibre and RPG ammunition strengths, but the Scimitar/Scorpion is really lightly built, similar to BRDM2 or BMD protection and it should be vulnerable to HMG fire. Edited May 25, 2009 by GH_Lieste 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share Posted May 25, 2009 Thx for your input, guys.BMD looks like a good candidate,but then again is not playable ...(and I should check how many men it is carrying)I will give it some more thought,rgds - K 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Scimitar is vulnerable to 7.62mm. I think it was Bat who told me that, or may have been Irish.Erm, so, yeah set damage to include Troops on a BMD 2 should suffice, will look a bit Soviet esque, but you can always squint.And British Scimitars can't swim, they have had their floatation screens removed, dunno bout the Belgian ones though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GH_Lieste Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Scimitar is vulnerable to 7.62mm. I think it was Bat who told me that, or may have been Irish.Erm, so, yeah set damage to include Troops on a BMD 2 should suffice, will look a bit Soviet esque, but you can always squint.And British Scimitars can't swim, they have had their floatation screens removed, dunno bout the Belgian ones though.A Thunderflash behind the stowage boxes will apparently dent the turret armour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hmm I'd rather have a Ferret, than a Scimitar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) Make sure to change the ammo to AP only; if I am not mistaken the Brits never acquired HE munitions for the 30mm Rarden gun (don't know about Belgium, though). Another option might be the LAV-25 but it's wheeled, not tracked.I'm reading a book called "in foreign fields" at the momenthttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Foreign-Fields-Heroes-Afghanistan-Their/dp/1906308071/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244050521&sr=1-1In the chapter about Lt Simon Farebrother, a Scimitar commander in Iraq in 2003, on page 51 it says "Gunner, traverse on, six rounds automatic, and he put six rounds HE into the bunker at a range of 50 metres"So Koen it looks like it's ok to give them HE. Edited June 3, 2009 by Crusty spelling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Looks like a good read Crusty, would love a scim in sb, guess could use a substitute like the Pizarro, although would have to change the ammo, and disregard the size diifference and armour thicknes, but a possible substitiute there. Would be happy to skin it, need to get hold of some blanks. Anyways a possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hmm I'd rather have a Ferret, than a Scimitar.Why?Ferrets were nasty wee things,far too top heavy with a tendance to flip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Looks like a good read Crusty, would love a scim in sb, guess could use a substitute like the Pizarro, although would have to change the ammo, and disregard the size diifference and armour thicknes, but a possible substitiute there. Would be happy to skin it, need to get hold of some blanks. Anyways a possible. Yup, it's a good read so far, The Pizarro would be a better stand in for the Warrior, the BMD would be ok, you just have to squint, then it might look a bit like a Scimitar ish... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Why? Ferrets were nasty wee things,far too top heavy with a tendance to flip.But at least it can shrug off 7.62mmThats a rare commodity in 'light' vehicles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 But at least it can shrug off 7.62mmThats a rare commodity in 'light' vehiclesNot much use if youre upside down in a ditch though.:biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Fourtunatly SB doesn't model this downside :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Scimitar Weight 7.8 tonnes Length 4.9 m Width 2.2 m Height 2.1 m Crew 3 Primary armament 30 mm L21 RARDEN cannon Secondary armament Coaxial 7.62 mm L37A1 MG Engine Cummins BTA 5.9 diesel 190 hp (142 kW) Suspension Torsion bar Operational range 450 km Speed 80 km/h (50mph Pizarro Weight 28 tonnes (30.9 short tons) Length 6.24 m (26 ft) Width 3.64 m (12 ft) Height 2.43 m (8 ft) Crew 3 + 8 passengers Primary armament 30 mm Mauser MK 30-2 Secondary armament MG3 7.62 mm (Pizarro) MG74 7.62 mm (Ulan) Engine Diesel 600 hp (Pizarro) 720 hp (Ulan) Suspension torsion bar Speed Road: 72 km Love both these paint schemes, a possible similar armaments ,speed and looks, Pizarro has better armour though and is over three times as heavy but it could work, if you change the ammo type, just needs a bit of tweaking and imagination i guess, would love to do these skins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congo Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Scimitar Weight 7.8 tonnes Length 4.9 m Width 2.2 m Height 2.1 m Crew 3 Primary armament 30 mm L21 RARDEN cannon Secondary armament Coaxial 7.62 mm L37A1 MG Engine Cummins BTA 5.9 diesel 190 hp (142 kW) Suspension Torsion bar Operational range 450 km Speed 80 km/h (50mph Pizarro Weight 28 tonnes (30.9 short tons) Length 6.24 m (26 ft) Width 3.64 m (12 ft) Height 2.43 m (8 ft) Crew 3 + 8 passengers Primary armament 30 mm Mauser MK 30-2 Secondary armament MG3 7.62 mm (Pizarro) MG74 7.62 mm (Ulan) Engine Diesel 600 hp (Pizarro) 720 hp (Ulan) Suspension torsion bar Speed Road: 72 km Love both these paint schemes, a possible similar armaments ,speed and looks, Pizarro has better armour though and is over three times as heavy but it could work, if you change the ammo type, just needs a bit of tweaking and imagination i guess, would love to do these skins. Here is a starting point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Thankyou Congo, guess i could use the original roof, or have you got that aswell please. Thanks for the help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congo Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Thankyou Congo, guess i could use the original roof, or have you got that aswell please. Thanks for the help.Sorry Mate, I have not messed with that one yet. But if you open the original and play with the hue,saturation and such you will be able to match it up. If I get a chance I will mess with it some. Here you go WD you may have to tweak it a tad more but its a start. Please post screens as it progresses. The hull dds needs some work also, things like the gun barrel,road wheels and such, I did not get the chance to do this after I altered the original. You could probably layer it with the Pizarro in my Spainiac pack and capture the original textures for these components. Thats true for the lower hull also, I did not model shocks or swingarms on the desert version. Thanks CongoCongo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Got it, Thanks again Congo, will crack on with it soon, and post progress etc, cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 THX again for all your input, gentlemen,and especially you Congo, for all your work on the Pizarro and many, many others skins !Question: would a mid/beginning-80's Scimitar have Thermal view (as they seem to have now) ?I guess, not, as e.g. the Belgian Leo 1A's only by 1988 were equipped with TIS.Rgds - Koen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congo Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Thanks K The pleasure was all mine!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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