dejawolf Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vecujSqAbfs US army rejects trophy APS, with a 90% effectiveness rating, in favour of an unfinished raytheon APS. smells like dragonskin. and here's trophy APS demonstration video: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Notice the 'Boomerange' in the background. We had them on our vehicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 oh, glad they chose to fit them after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 oh, glad they chose to fit them after all.Nifty little toy we had. Part of our anti-sniper technology 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanTog Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Notice the 'Boomerange' in the background. We had them on our vehicles. What 'Boomerange' ?? - and what is it ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 That little thingy in the background with the little sphere's on it. Thats a 'boomerange'Those are little microphones hooked up to a CPU. If you take sniper fire it gives you distance and direction of the fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokie4824 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Wow, sounds almost like a mini version of the radars they use to detect incoming artillery fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 well, thats probably because it actually is a radar can it estimate mortar fire as well? does it have hardkill capabilities, and not just softkill? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotTom Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 First, it's Boomerang, not boomerange (ain't the US public school system grand?). Second...sorry Deja...Boomerang is acoustic, not radar: http://www.defense-update.com/products/b/Boomerang.htm Third, the Trophy system is an Israeli-made product. Raytheon is an American defense contractor with lots of retired US military on its payroll and lots of plants creating jobs in lots of Congressional districts. Do the math http://www.defense-update.com/products/t/trophy.htm HT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted February 6, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 6, 2008 First, it's Boomerang, not boomerange (ain't the US public school system grand?).Is that really necessary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotTom Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Is that really necessary?Yes. Makes it tough to do a Google search when it isn't spelled correctly. And spell checking really is easy.HT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwa Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Its a safe bet that there are officers in whatever project managers office oversees this,that have a significant interest in seeing APS fielded over Trophy. The fact that it may be years before its fielded, or that there is a system already available doesnt enter the equation. "Makes it tough to do a Google search when it isn't spelled correctly." Why do you need to depend on someone elses spelling to do a google search? I only ask because you are a self proclaimed expert on spell check. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotTom Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Mog, let's not hijack this thread Actually, I did a search for boomerange thinking maybe that really was the name of the system, a combination of boomerang and range. It wasn't. HT USA (Ret) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 i thought when he said boomerang, he referred to the shape of the device, and not to the name of a system since he said it like trophy was actually fielded on the stryker.so is trophy APS fielded as well as boomerang? is boomerang an integral part of trophy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/usa-ordering-trophy-active-protection-systems-04301/?camp=newsletter&src=did&type=textlinkthought i might post this, as theres a mirrored discussion of this at tanknet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 And Raytheon is in the race for more:http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0208/news/news_080208_cram.htm-Rump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotMagnet Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Isn't counterbattery tech fairly commonplace? I admit, I haven't read the article, but my stepfather was describing to me the principals of FADAC and CBRs when I was in my teens.Shot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 8, 2008 Members Share Posted February 8, 2008 Isn't counterbattery tech fairly commonplace? I admit, I haven't read the article, but my stepfather was describing to me the principals of FADAC and CBRs when I was in my teens.The idea is to shoot down the incoming projectiles, at least around fixed installations. Counter-battery fire will still be performed, but by different units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 i thought when he said boomerang, he referred to the shape of the device, and not to the name of a system since he said it like trophy was actually fielded on the stryker.so is trophy APS fielded as well as boomerang? is boomerang an integral part of trophy?I havent seen Trophy on the Stryker. In fact, I havent seen the Trophy system on any vehicles in Iraq. We use Slat armor as a RPG deterrent, alot of veterans from the 2004-2005 deployment say it worked well - that was back when the insurgents were crazy enough to fire RPG's at Strykers :-) I dont really know what to think of it either. I'm not crazy about having an independent explosive system on my truck. Haha. God forbid the thing went off with friendlies in the area. Also not crazy about adding more weight to the vehicle. More weight = less mobility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GH_Lieste Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 The idea of using a few Phalanx systems to do very much against even a modest concentration of artillery seems wildly optimistic, and autonomous radar directed cannon firing within your own positions to 'prevent' damage from incoming rounds sounds scary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 I havent seen Trophy on the Stryker. In fact, I havent seen the Trophy system on any vehicles in Iraq. We use Slat armor as a RPG deterrent, alot of veterans from the 2004-2005 deployment say it worked well - that was back when the insurgents were crazy enough to fire RPG's at Strykers :-) I dont really know what to think of it either. I'm not crazy about having an independent explosive system on my truck. Haha. God forbid the thing went off with friendlies in the area. Also not crazy about adding more weight to the vehicle. More weight = less mobility.well, trophy has the benefit that its lightweight, (lighter than the stryker slat cages) it should make it easier to manouver in tight streets, as you don't have fences standing off from the sides of your vehicle.as for the explosives: i don't think fragments from the incoming rockets, or rockets themselves are any good for the environment either. think of it this way: to be hit by the APS defensive fragments, you'd have to be standing basically in the rockets trajectory... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Very good points you make, DejaEspecially the part about slat armor fitting down the narrow streets of Iraq. This Trophy thing is something I'd have to see for myself to really believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Well they will hit something in close quarters and bounce around. They may hit another AFV besides you, they may hit a pole, garbage can, sign etc. Nothing is fool proof. however is a step in the "light"direction.Nothing says "Get out of the way" like a cage around your veh though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Nothing says "Get out of the way" like a cage around your veh though.The slat armor is indeed much more intimidating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwa Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 if some poor street urchin gets dinged by fragments from this thing then there is a PR problem for the Army. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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