Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Well I thought I'd start with a couple of setup pictures, this is how it starts, Nils and I drove down to Colgne on the Monday with the computers, and the AFV sim gunners controls, [ATTACH]8823[/ATTACH] We arrived about mid day, then we just had to wait for the crate to turn up. [ATTACH]8824[/ATTACH] But we had it all set up in good time, with a few minor hiccups left to sort on the Tuesday morning [ATTACH]8825[/ATTACH] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) Now to give a bit of info on the setup this year, it was more involved than years gone by, joining up with two other companys, one them, Systematic, shared the stand with us, http://www.systematic.com/defence+website/products/by+name/sitaware+suite/sitaware+battle+management They had their BMS linked into Steelbeasts, The second company who had the stand next to us with the dividing wall removed, were IFAD. http://www.ifad.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=1 The IFAD radio software was installed on all the computers, with two radio nets, and an intercom for the Leo commander and gunner. They had their FAC/JTAC sim running on their stand all linked in to Steelbeasts on the same radio nets, so a strike could be called from the instructors postion. Here's a poster showing a layout of the setup. [ATTACH]8826[/ATTACH] And here's the large poster on the stand giving the visitors a description of the planed scenario [ATTACH]8827[/ATTACH] Edited May 17, 2011 by Crusty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Now to show you the physical setup, there was one Laptop which was the instructors station. [ATTACH]8828[/ATTACH] One station was setup as a Lemur/Eagle IV gunner [ATTACH]8829[/ATTACH] One as Leo2A5 gunner [ATTACH]8830[/ATTACH] One as Leo 2A5 commander with the triple monitor setup [ATTACH]8831[/ATTACH] This was swopped over to the Challenger 2 gunners control as and when required [ATTACH]8832[/ATTACH] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Now for some more general views of the stand, and some of the staff. I'll start with two pictures of the Systematic BMS laptop, [ATTACH]8833[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8834[/ATTACH] Here's Jonas from Systematic trying out the Challenger 2 [ATTACH]8835[/ATTACH] This is Michael (grenny) attending to a visitor [ATTACH]8836[/ATTACH] Lukas (Retro) and Al talking bug squashing [ATTACH]8837[/ATTACH] Here we have Lukas (retro) Karstan and Jonas from Systematic, Michael (Grenny) a visitor from the Finnish armour school, Mark (Gibsonm) and Nils [ATTACH]8838[/ATTACH] And a view of the eSim stand [ATTACH]8839[/ATTACH] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Here's the IFAD stand we were connected to, [ATTACH]8840[/ATTACH] And some other AFV related products Challenger 2 on the Bohemia stand, [ATTACH]8841[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8842[/ATTACH] Leo2 on the Krauss-Maffei Wegmann stand [ATTACH]8843[/ATTACH] Warrior on the CAE stand [ATTACH]8844[/ATTACH] And from RUAG a more avanced trainer for the French VCBI [ATTACH]8845[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8846[/ATTACH] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted May 17, 2011 Members Share Posted May 17, 2011 Thanks for the pictures! Note that in your second post, the link to IFAD is wrong (goes to systematic).One question about the controls in the "Warrior on the CAE stand" picture - is this SpinKit gear? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 And also using Steelbeast for a demonstration were a company called DIEHL, who were showing off their appended system, on their own Leo 1A5, The Leo was a short ride away at the local barracks, [ATTACH]8847[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8848[/ATTACH] They had taken the Gunners controls out and set them up on a table. [ATTACH]8849[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8850[/ATTACH] This is the commanders staion, through that sight you could see the Steelbeasts software, and control it with the handle. [ATTACH]8851[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]8852[/ATTACH] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Thanks for the pictures! Note that in your second post, the link to IFAD is wrong (goes to systematic).One question about the controls in the "Warrior on the CAE stand" picture - is this SpinKit gear?Thanks, corrected it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 nice stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSnake79 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Nice pictures. Looks like there was plenty to look at. I wonder what one of those eSim crates is worth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You forgot to mention the nice, quiet, neighbours you had from the US who kept to themselves and were no trouble. I’ve specifically mentioned them in my post visit report as an organization not to buy equipment from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 17, 2011 Members Share Posted May 17, 2011 And also using Steelbeast for a demonstration were a company called DIEHL, who were showing off their appended system, on their own Leo 1A5,...As a needed clarification, the controls were taken out of the tank for demonstration purposes. ATLan-AS is of course supposed to utilize the vehicle in its original state (plus interfaces). IOW: SB Pro with a honkin' big, 42 tons heavy game controller, turning the tank into its own simulator. May be suitable for training during deployment, or as a stand-in for expensive cabin trainers. The technology itself is versatile enough however to be also used FOR such cabin trainers. Pretty spiffy, I have to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thanks for the AAR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawes Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 One question about the controls in the "Warrior on the CAE stand" picture - is this SpinKit gear?No, those Warrior controls were supplied by CAE and use CAE software. SpinKit is something that has been developed for the hand crank controls using SB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 As a needed clarification, the controls were taken out of the tank for demonstration purposes. ATLan-AS is of course supposed to utilize the vehicle in its original state (plus interfaces). IOW: SB Pro with a honkin' big, 42 tons heavy game controller, turning the tank into its own simulator. May be suitable for training during deployment, or as a stand-in for expensive cabin trainers. The technology itself is versatile enough however to be also used FOR such cabin trainers. Pretty spiffy, I have to say. Yes I should have made that clear, but as you sayit's a spiffing bit of kit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted May 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2011 Speaking of the Warrior's controls, I wondered about that: does the Warrior not have powered traverse/elevation? All the pictures I have seen of Warrior controls are hand cranks - but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that it does not have powered/hydraulic turret and gun movement... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 You forgot to mention the nice, quiet, neighbours you had from the US who kept to themselves and were no trouble. I’ve specifically mentioned them in my post visit report as an organization not to buy equipment from. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, could you say that again please Good that you've mentioned them in your post visit report, I'd imagine there will be a lot of similar reports being filed this week, and rightly so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thank you Crusty! :drink: Very nice report! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, could you say that again please Good that you've mentioned them in your post visit report, I'd imagine there will be a lot of similar reports being filed this week, and rightly so. Well, they had a great soundsystem. When you are inside the simulator it was shurely contributing to your SA and realism. BUT THEY SHOULD BEEN IN A SERPRATE HALL :-) (As info: when they had a helicopter flying in their simulator, the desks at the e-sim stand where shaking!! ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Well, they had a great soundsystem. When you are inside the simulator it was shurely contributing to your SA and realism.Perhaps but poor simulation authenticity since the noise of the 9mm (which I believe they were firing most times) equated to a 25mm chain gun.Glad they didn’t have a shot gun serial or my ears would have started bleeding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp96 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Good ITEC Cologne and report.eSim sale these joysticks?Beer forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Good ITEC Cologne and report.eSim sale these joysticks?Beer forever.1. No they don’t.They are sold by “AFV Sim” http://www.afvsim.com/2. They are expensive, at least from a home consumer point of view (e.g. dearer than the PC you connect them to).3. They are vehicle / position specific. So even if you want to just be a Leo player, there is a Leo Gunner handle and a Leo Commander handle (just like in the real vehicle), not one that does both. 4. Depending on where you live, the UK Govt wont let them be exported to you. Edited May 18, 2011 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thanks for sharing pictures and report. Anyone can report how different are the SB Pro and VBS2 Challenger setup? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Well from a technical stand point, one sucks, the other doesn’t.The eSim one doesn’t.Restrospective edit: This is my "end user" opinion only. No doubt not endorsed by Bohemia but I suspect tolerated by eSim. Edited May 18, 2011 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 18, 2011 Members Share Posted May 18, 2011 Mark's opinion does not necessarily reflect eSim's (except for the part that SB Pro doesn't suck, of course). The Challenger is certainly different from the other AFVs in SB Pro, with a user interface that has certain similarities but combines them in a truly unique and decidedly British solution.A big role plays the controller however, and that will be difficult to replicate for the average player on a PC. My recommendation would be to try it with some sort of a game console controller where the right hand thumb is to control an analog stick for turret movement/aiming. That will probably be the closest as you can get with a cheap consumer hardware setup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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