Moderators Volcano Posted May 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2011 Mark's opinion does not necessarily reflect eSim's (except for the part that SB Pro doesn't suck, of course). The Challenger is certainly different from the other AFVs in SB Pro, with a user interface that has certain similarities but combines them in a truly unique and decidedly British solution.A big role plays the controller however, and that will be difficult to replicate for the average player on a PC. My recommendation would be to try it with some sort of a game console controller where the right hand thumb is to control an analog stick for turret movement/aiming. That will probably be the closest as you can get with a cheap consumer hardware setup. Looks like a good use for a wireless Xbox 360 controller with PC wireless USB connector. Instant Challenger 2 controller. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted May 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2011 Speaking of the Warrior's controls, I wondered about that: does the Warrior not have powered traverse/elevation? All the pictures I have seen of Warrior controls are hand cranks - but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that it does not have powered/hydraulic turret and gun movement...Dear Volcano,No, the Warrior IFV has powered traverse as well as manual operation (according to what I have read in Jane's). I have no idea why every warrior simulator controller you have ever seen is always manual type controls however. Hmm, me neither. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gibsonm Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Dear Volcano,No, the Warrior IFV has powered traverse as well as manual operation (according to what I have read in Jane's). I have no idea why every warrior simulator controller you have ever seen is always manual type controls however. Hmm, me neither. To both of you. I believe they are there so you can replicate turret drills after primary systems failure when manual traverse / elevation becomes the order of the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Mark's opinion does not necessarily reflect eSim's (except for the part that SB Pro doesn't suck, of course). The Challenger is certainly different from the other AFVs in SB Pro, with a user interface that has certain similarities but combines them in a truly unique and decidedly British solution.A big role plays the controller however, and that will be difficult to replicate for the average player on a PC. My recommendation would be to try it with some sort of a game console controller where the right hand thumb is to control an analog stick for turret movement/aiming. That will probably be the closest as you can get with a cheap consumer hardware setup.Yes sorry didn't mean to imply that my opinion was eSim's. Have editied the post to add a clarification.The "problem" from my point of view is that even though the same controller is used in both, the VBS2 product is still built on their underlying vehicle model which IMHO isn't as good as the eSim one.Even in SB Pro gunnery in the CR2 is "interesting" (don't want to speak out of turn here) esp. with regard to a HESH shoot."Fin" / APFSDS is not so unique. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 19, 2011 Members Share Posted May 19, 2011 ... I have no idea why every warrior simulator controller you have ever seen is always manual type controls however.The Warrior has the handles for sight adjustment after every shot per British Army standard operating procedure. Apparently the gun's mounting allows for a bit of slack movement after the recoil which contributes to the overall dispersion. So, if precision fire is the goal, the gunner must "wiggle" the gun in vertical and horizontal plane between each shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawes Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Dear Volcano,No, the Warrior IFV has powered traverse as well as manual operation (according to what I have read in Jane's). I have no idea why every warrior simulator controller you have ever seen is always manual type controls however. Hmm, me neither.The CAE trainer does has the power traverse. It's a thumb operated left/right lever. In the usual British fashion, it doesn't look like any other control you may have seen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted May 19, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2011 The Warrior has the handles for sight adjustment after every shot per British Army standard operating procedure. Apparently the gun's mounting allows for a bit of slack movement after the recoil which contributes to the overall dispersion. So, if precision fire is the goal, the gunner must "wiggle" the gun in vertical and horizontal plane between each shot.The CAE trainer does has the power traverse. It's a thumb operated left/right lever. In the usual British fashion, it doesn't look like any other control you may have seen.Wow... sounds awesome! :eek2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 No booth babes? :neutral: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 No booth babes? :neutral:You've got tonnes of vehicle and handgun simulators there...there is no time to look for booth babes 8-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHussar Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I dont know those giving away beer from the Danish company were worth looking at LOLIrish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 No booth babes? :neutral:I was going to take some pictures for you Homer, there was some nice eye candy, but to be honest at my age (I'll be 50 this year) I would have felt like a dirty old man taking pictures of these young ladies,hell my daughter is older than most of them :eek2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleshot Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 ...there is no time to look for booth babes 8-)so, why were you there then?:biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp96 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I was going to take some pictures for you Homer, there was some nice eye candy, but to be honest at my age (I'll be 50 this year) I would have felt like a dirty old man taking pictures of these young ladies,hell my daughter is older than most of them :eek2:Start fasting 20-30 days for rejuvenation and health? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 To both of you. I believe they are there so you can replicate turret drills after primary systems failure when manual traverse / elevation becomes the order of the day. Otherwise known as "Keep Fit" Gun Controls! I was going to take some pictures for you Homer, there was some nice eye candy, but to be honest at my age (I'll be 50 this year) I would have felt like a dirty old man taking pictures of these young ladies.hell my daughter is older than most of them :eek2: **Nicks Crusty's Camera** Allow Me. :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 You've got tonnes of vehicle and handgun simulators there...there is no time to look for booth babes 8-)That is why you take a picture so you can look later.I was going to take some pictures for you Homer, there was some nice eye candy, but to be honest at my age (I'll be 50 this year) I would have felt like a dirty old man taking pictures of these young ladies,hell my daughter is older than most of them :eek2:How I rationalize potentially stupid or embarrassing behavior in front of strangers, is to tell myself that I will never see these people again.Anyway, at least you didn't forget, that it worth something. cheers!(I can relate with the daughter thing too) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Brief video summary of ITEC 2011. No mention of eSim though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted May 21, 2011 Members Share Posted May 21, 2011 At 1:32, if you look above the candy bowl, there's the eSim booth (with our scenario poster) in the background Oh, and at 1:36 that's the IFAD booth in the background (they shared it with eSim). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Hmm Maybe Ssnake should slip the Film crew a few Euros? Or was that the result? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted May 22, 2011 Members Share Posted May 22, 2011 By the way.. NATO had this poster at their booth.. make of that what you will :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted May 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 22, 2011 By the way.. NATO had this poster at their booth.. make of that what you will :shock:DEFCON!!!!! EVERYONE DIES! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON_%28video_game%29 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 By the way.. NATO had this poster at their booth.. make of that what you will :shock: Well the whole event was about simulation after all. But having said that I did see a guy in a wheelchair there muttering about the “simulation gap”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabot_ready Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 A simulation gap?.....maybe leaders will grasp this and start a "simulation cold war" with its virtual arms race. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Yes he said some other stuff too but that was more in keeping with the Neo Nazi group I bumped into after getting off the train. Fun town this, get off train to Left Vs Right demo on anniversary of VE Day. Get on train to Soccer / Football riot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 23, 2011 Members Share Posted May 23, 2011 We're no longer allowed to export our aggressions, so it's now focused internally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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