Members Ssnake Posted August 15, 2011 Members Share Posted August 15, 2011 I guess Radio Aerials would be the first things to go?Not sure, actually. They are extremely exposed, yes - but also pretty flexible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I guess Radio Aerials would be the first things to go?Well I’ve found them resilient since they are whip mounted (not fixed like a car one).The biggest issue I’ve had in forests is “barrel strikes” or “bustle strikes“ where the barrel or the back of the turret hits a tree.Often caused because the turret isn’t at 12 O’Clock and the idiot in the driver’s seat forgets there is this big piece of metal hanging over one side or the other.Often the barrel hits a tree and destroys the traverse clutch and the turret can end up spinning due to the momentum of the tank going forward and the barrel suddenly stopping and the leverage the length of the barrel provides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted August 15, 2011 Members Share Posted August 15, 2011 The biggest issue I’ve had in forests is “barrel strikes” or “bustle strikes“ where the barrel or the back of the turret hits a tree.Often caused because the turret isn’t at 12 O’Clock and the idiot in the driver’s seat forgets there is this big piece of metal hanging over one side or the other.Isn't that more the idiocy of gunner and commander?The driver can't constantly monitor the turret position, so it's the commander's job to look out for possible collisions and order the driver to stop, or the gunner to scan the front. That's precisely why in SB Pro the computer-controlled crews will switch to unstabilized mode and keep the gun forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Isn't that more the idiocy of gunner and commander?The driver can't constantly monitor the turret position, so it's the commander's job to look out for possible collisions and order the driver to stop, or the gunner to scan the front. That's precisely why in SB Pro the computer-controlled crews will switch to unstabilized mode and keep the gun forward.Sure but because there is no commander’s override for the accelerator unfortunately there tends to be a lag between “slow down there’s a tree coming” to “stop” to “STOP!” to “you $%$&^#$ $%@#^@$%^ #$^$@$%^@$%&@ is there something wrong with your headset!”This “conversation” is usually followed by a more intimate and physical discussion between the driver and the gunner.While the commander starts the paperwork. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowlmovement Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Well I’ve found them resilient since they are whip mounted (not fixed like a car one).The biggest issue I’ve had in forests is “barrel strikes” or “bustle strikes“ where the barrel or the back of the turret hits a tree.Often caused because the turret isn’t at 12 O’Clock and the idiot in the driver’s seat forgets there is this big piece of metal hanging over one side or the other.Often the barrel hits a tree and destroys the traverse clutch and the turret can end up spinning due to the momentum of the tank going forward and the barrel suddenly stopping and the leverage the length of the barrel provides.Yes Sir, I remember reading about a similar incident in the book "Thunder Run." The turret of the M1A1 spun so much that the crew was disoriented with motion sickness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't want to promise anything, but we're working on it. I would like to see some more work done on the AFV's we now have. Being able to fire the ATGM on the Jag, The cannon on the Mardar, YPR.BMP,BTR,etc. A land command for the helo's would also be nice.:biggrin: Having these AFV, but unable to fire them is a major bummer.:decu: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPatrick Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't even think they're necessarily "dead", just "incapitated".Agreed. I've never had a problem getting my crew in fighting shape again if there's a medic nearby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So word on the street is that the new upgrade will have 3d units, what about crew finally? At the very least could we have sprite crew. Its pretty impossible to tell if someone is turned out at range if theres nothing there, and it looks quite distracting in technicals and humvees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted August 16, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 16, 2011 So word on the street is that the new upgrade will have 3d units, what about crew finally? At the very least could we have sprite crew. Its pretty impossible to tell if someone is turned out at range if theres nothing there, and it looks quite distracting in technicals and humvees.One step at a time... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So word on the street is that the new upgrade will have 3d units, what about crew finally? “Finally” from a person who joined this month? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Like Krause, I will love to see visible crew members. I don't mind if 3d or sprytes, but they are really needed IMO specially on the MG's of the HUMVEES and M113. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSmoke Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Yes Sir, I remember reading about a similar incident in the book "Thunder Run." The turret of the M1A1 spun so much that the crew was disoriented with motion sickness.We had a dismount NCO in the commanders position on a M2A2 - I'm not sure why he was there - maybe filling in for the BC. He thought it would be fun to spin the turret in circles while moving down a tank trail and hit a tree with the barrel. The turret was OK but the barrel was bent. He shouldn't have had a commanders override - lol. I'm glad I wasn't on that track ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yskonyn Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 “Finally” from a person who joined this month? Since when does postcount on a forum say anything about experience with a given product? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Very true point. I have a postcount >2500 and been around since 2002 or so, but I have been "off" for such a long time I am like a rookie again. so postcount really don't mean a shit exept that you aren't newly registered on the forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPatrick Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Have you seen this? Isn't the drive sprocket supposed to be inside the track as seen on the other side? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Visually the first one is correct.On a real leo tank the sprocket teeth are between the connectors, outside of the track link, so visually present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPatrick Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 So the 2nd one is wrong... Any chance that could be fixed on the next upgrade? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Since when does postcount on a forum say anything about experience with a given product? No idea, because that is not what I said. My comment was related to the joining date, nothing about the number of posts. I just found it amusing that someone who joined after the last upgrade is talking about “finally”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john.gear Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Well I’ve found them resilient since they are whip mounted (not fixed like a car one).The biggest issue I’ve had in forests is “barrel strikes” or “bustle strikes“ where the barrel or the back of the turret hits a tree.Often caused because the turret isn’t at 12 O’Clock and the idiot in the driver’s seat forgets there is this big piece of metal hanging over one side or the other.Often the barrel hits a tree and destroys the traverse clutch and the turret can end up spinning due to the momentum of the tank going forward and the barrel suddenly stopping and the leverage the length of the barrel provides.For the US Army, it is the vehicle commander’s responsibility to ensure the gun tube will not get banged around on trees, fence post, and will not get stuck in the mud when the vehicle goes into a ditch or hole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 For the US Army, it is the vehicle commander’s responsibility to ensure the gun tube will not get banged around on trees, fence post, and will not get stuck in the mud when the vehicle goes into a ditch or hole.Interesting, for Swedish army its the driver. He's the fellow who knows where he is driving and sees the terrain in front of him. TC is to busy reading map, reporting contacts, keep visual on the other tanks in the plt and direct the gunner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted August 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 22, 2011 So the 2nd one is wrong... Any chance that could be fixed on the next upgrade?No, it is much easier to just redo the Leo 1 models at this point I think. Not saying that will happen any time soon, but hopefully it will happen eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHussar Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Interesting, for Swedish army its the driver. He's the fellow who knows where he is driving and sees the terrain in front of him. TC is to busy reading map, reporting contacts, keep visual on the other tanks in the plt and direct the gunner.Hi KTnice to see you back on here. In the British Army the responsibility for safety lies directly in the Commanders lap. Thats the safety of his crew, his vehicle and everything else.Thats why he gets paid more or at least thats what they told us LOLIrish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Cheers definitely different way around here. Lets say a tank gets into a accident with a car, despite that the TC told the driver the road was clear to cross the legal responsibility for the accident still lies on the driver. Wee bit unfair if you ask me... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 @ john.gear, IrishHussar & Kingtiger.As a non-real-life-tanker myself I find it interesting how the responsibility for the barrel is left with different crew members.I can understand the commander being responsible as he has greater situational awareness and can clearly see the direction and elevation from the turret. But if its the driver who has to be aware do you have any screens or dials indicating the turret's direction? Does it also show elevation when driving downhill into ditches for example?I can't imagine the driver has a great field-of-view unlike the commander when it comes to this, especially your post regarding traffic. Can a tank driver clearly see to the left and right for other vehicles? I would assume you have quite a few 'blind spots' in your view.Thanks all, I'm curious about this one.Cheers!Q 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPatrick Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 No, it is much easier to just redo the Leo 1 models at this point I think. Not saying that will happen any time soon, but hopefully it will happen eventually.Right on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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