VFRHawk Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Think I must be mis-understanding something here, so hopefully someone can put me straight....If I'm in the drivers position, and I press the "D" key whilst going forward (I believe) the sim shows the effect of the tanks right track slowing so the left track drives round it, long way of saying the tank turns right. However when I'm reversing, I'd expect pressing "D" to slow the right track and again the left track should drive round it, turning the front of the tank to the left. However, it doesn't it still seems to turn the tank to the right? Am I mis-understanding how tanks steer, or is there some system in the real thing that reverses the affect of the steering when going in reverse?Graham :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylania Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's not modeled like that where you're controlling individual treads, more like a car. The direction you press is where the front of the tank will face. When you press "D" you're turning the front of the tank to the right. While moving forward that turns you right. While moving backwards it turns you left. If you turn your view around it'll be "normal", ie pressing "D" will turn your tank to the right if you're looking backwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's not modeled like that where you're controlling individual treads, more like a car. ...... Because thats how it is on (those) tanks in real life :-P Hmm, well on most of 'em anyway. The T-55 still has the "stick-drive" ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylania Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Yeah, I saw a post from Snake the other night which mentioned that, that the days of this stick drives this track are over and tanks are controlled like a car now with a single input device, but can't find it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Hmm, well on most of 'em anyway. The T-55 still has the "stick-drive" ??It sure has, I drove one this last April (a bergepanzer T-55). Great fun.- Rump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFRHawk Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 So on a modern tank the steering steers in the "opposite" direction when it's in reverse? Clever.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 So on a modern tank the steering steers in the "opposite" direction when it's in reverse? Clever.... Well in a “modern” tank you should be able to do a “neutral” turn (where one track goes fwd and the other goes back), so it turns in it’s own length. Of course the “slowing one side down” technique is still in use for more gradual turns too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFRHawk Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Thought it just felt counter-intuitive tbh - in a car if I turn the wheel to the right going forward, the front of the car turns right. In reverse, the front turns left. In SB it turns right in both forward AND reverse! Having very briefly driven a Chieftan (over a Ford Sierra, good use for it!) I expected a tank to do the same. Didn't realise newer tanks had got so complicated! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Because thats how it is on (those) tanks in real life :-PYeah, most of the drivers are 19-year old kids :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Yeah, most of the drivers are 19-year old kids :biggrin:And this keeps the ARV crews busy and trained :-P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Didn't realise newer tanks had got so complicated!Quite the opposite.Tanks too now have steering wheels for this reason:Yeah, most of the drivers are 19-year old kids :biggrin:Makes training easier."You ever Driven a car son?""Sir! Yes, Sir!""Good, thats the first month of training done already":biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Esp. for our guys anyway who have to sit and pass the civilian road law test before they can drive any AFV on a public road. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFRHawk Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Think I must have got lost somewhere in this conversation .... the tanks in SB DON'T behave like a car, so if you've passsed your driving test you're in for a shock reversing a tank - it turns the other way when you turn the steering wheel to a car?In a car, turn the wheel right whilst going forward, the car goes to the right at the front, in reverse the front of the car turns left. In steel beasts (and from this convo I was assuming modern tanks also) turn right in both forward and reverse! :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Ok, yes, if you look at it closer, i see what you mean... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted December 30, 2011 Members Share Posted December 30, 2011 ...hence our practice as Leo 2 commanders when backing up and giving driving commands to the driver to cross our arms to remind you to say "right" when you meant to go left. Some crews had the driver to cross the arms, but I always considered that as a bad practice as it is less safe, obviously.Thanks to the backup camera, this is no longer much of an issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 VFR is correct, in a vehicle if you turn to the right you go in a clockwise circle forward and a counter-clockwise circle in reverse in SB you go clockwise in forward and reverse which I don't believe is correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted December 31, 2011 Members Share Posted December 31, 2011 Well, we didn't want to make it too complicated. In any position that is not the driver's position, driving commands must be understood in SB as commands to the driver who will then follow your intent instead of literally turning the steering wheel per your key presses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Well, we didn't want to make it too complicated. In any position that is not the driver's position, driving commands must be understood in SB as commands to the driver who will then follow your intent instead of literally turning the steering wheel per your key presses.But it does exactly the same when you occupy the drivers position so it does not mimic a steering wheel but is the opposite. It is counter-intuitive or complicated. The D key should tell the driver the vehicle goes to his right whether forward or reverse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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