Panzer_Leader Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I've been familiarising myself with the M113AS4 and notice it is modelled with a full TIS whereas I understand the vehicle is actually fitted with an Image Intensifying (II) day/night sight. Has the TIS been modelled as the most appropriate proxy in the SB world for an II sight or have I missed something in terms of the M113AS4's capabilities?I'm interested because the TIS can be used for more effective target acquisition during the day versus a pure "day" sight (by picking up hot spots) but understand II cannot be used in this way so, if the above assumption is correct, the M113AS4 is more capable in SB than in the real world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 1, 2012 Members Share Posted March 1, 2012 We were told it was a thermal imager, so we added one. Whether the source was correct, I can't say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 the M113AS4 was designed to be fitted with a thermal imager, but this never happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 the M113AS4 was designed to be fitted with a thermal imager, but this never happened."Equipped for, but not with..." :-D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted March 1, 2012 Moderators Share Posted March 1, 2012 Its easy, in the Mission Editor if you don't want the vehicle to have a thermal sight then disable it -- it is much easier to remove a thermal sight than to add one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Thanks guys. Its easy, in the Mission Editor if you don't want the vehicle to have a thermal sight then disable it -- it is much easier to remove a thermal sight than to add one. Sure, it's easy enough to do that. I just wanted to confirm it was something I should be doing during daytime scenarios. At night (which I don't play that often) I'll continue to use the TIS. Having said that, I imagine in the real world the night sight on the M113AS4 would look more like the current NVG view in SB, perhaps with greater range and resolution due to it being a larger II unit, with a sight graticule over the top? Just curious is all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It´s not easy to bring light on it.....The Project to upgrade the M113 AS1 is called "Project LAND 106" given to Tenix Defence.Tenix cooperate with FFG and a bunch of others Companies.One of these were Thales, to built the Turret and the Optics.It´not 100% clear, but FCS is a Thalis DNGS.So the M113 AS4 should have a TIS or a last Generation Image Intensifier, that´s as good as a TIS.http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio/Defence/LandJoint_Products_Lethality_DNGS/?pid=1498 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 It´s not easy to bring light on it..... You're right, it is very hard to find definitive information. It´not 100% clear, but FCS is a Thalis DNGS. So the M113 AS4 should have a TIS or a last Generation Image Intensifier, that´s as good as a TIS. http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio/Defence/LandJoint_Products_Lethality_DNGS/?pid=1498 Nice find. Interestingly the DNGS B image in your link above corresponds exactly to the TC's sight in the attached photograph. The only other detailed reference I could find is here: http://www.australiandefence.com.au/39F12F30-F807-11DD-8DFE0050568C22C9 (refer third last paragraph). The article states "The APC variant sports a new turret, designed by Tenix and mounting a .50 calibre machine gun with powered drive and Thales Maxi day-night sight." The reference to "Thales Maxi" is not overly helpful as the only match I could find through a web search is for a "Thales MAXI-KITE MK 2" heavy weapon's sight and it's not clear to me whether that's the same thing or not (perhaps the II technology is shared with the DNGS)? Anyway, if I only use the day channel during the day and leave the TIS for night this should be a workable approximation of a late generation II sight by the sound of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 You're right, it is very hard to find definitive information. Good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpabrams Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That commanders sight is a pain. The texture is elsewhere and I am still searching. She is gettting a face lift.http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=16337 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 Good. Ah, so it's the official position of the ADF then? ;-) Perhaps I'll confine my musings to myself and use the M113AS4 in SB with the capability I believe it has based on the vague and out-of-date information available in the public domain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 That commanders sight is a pain. The texture is elsewhere and I am still searching. She is gettting a face lift.http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=16337Yes mate, I'm very much looking forward to the new and improved M113AS4 from you :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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