Stratos Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Never seen a M60 gunner sight but I read the M1 sights are directly based on the Patton gunsight. Can someone confirm this and provide pics of the M60 gunner sights please?Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Looks nearly the same But in M48 and M60 I think the TC is getting the right distance, the Gunner is just put it in his mechanical "Computer" or FCS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 But in M48 and M60 I think the TC is getting the right distance, the Gunner is just put it in his mechanical "Computer" or FCS.Can someone confirm this please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted August 5, 2012 Moderators Share Posted August 5, 2012 Can someone confirm this please?Yes, I believe that is correct, IIRC the TC has a box that has the readout from the LRF. Whether he has to lase the target, I don't know, but I think it has more to do with the LRF being added later, and an old way of thinking where the TC gave the gunner the range (or at least verified it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silenxg Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Never seen a M60 gunner sight but I read the M1 sights are directly based on the Patton gunsight. Can someone confirm this and provide pics of the M60 gunner sights please?Thanks. M60A3 is equipped with AN/VSG-2 thermal periscope. You can see the gunner sight in attached images. M60A1 doesn't have thermal periscope and LRF. The TC have M17A1 coincidence image instrument to calculate the range and it is connected with ballistics computer. The gunner is equipped with M32E1 day periscope but i don't have any pictures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Thanks guys for the clarification. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Looks nearly the same But in M48 and M60 I think the TC is getting the right distance, the Gunner is just put it in his mechanical "Computer" or FCS. Correct. I served in M-60's and the A1 version. The rangefinding in one of those is done with telescopic stereo sights. You can see them on the turret sides the optics are in those bubbles sticking out. When looking thru the TC's sight there will be a double image. The TC locates the target and using a hand crank adjusts the double image of the target so that it becomes one. The adjustment is connected mechanically to the analog fire control computer which adjusts the gunner's sight accordingly. Very quick to use and very accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/250/p13_fileid/1810http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/250/p13_fileid/1813Description: US Army field manual on tank gunnery that predates introduction of M60A3 and M1 series main battle tanks. Techniques discussed primarily relate to M60A1, although M48, M551, & M60A2 are mentioned. This is being uploaded in two parts due to size. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPatrick Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 ...adjusts the double image of the target so that it becomes one...So it's pretty much like an old camera viewfinder? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/250/p13_fileid/1810http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/250/p13_fileid/1813Description: US Army field manual on tank gunnery that predates introduction of M60A3 and M1 series main battle tanks. Techniques discussed primarily relate to M60A1, although M48, M551, & M60A2 are mentioned. This is being uploaded in two parts due to size.Thanks a lot! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted August 13, 2012 Members Share Posted August 13, 2012 So it's pretty much like an old camera viewfinder?Yes, the optical base however is much wider. But the principle is essentially the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) So it's pretty much like an old camera viewfinder? Yep... Except two separate optics are used, separated by the width of the turret. As mentioned previously each optic is housed in the bubble like enclosures on each side of the turret of the M-60 and M-60A1. Assuming correct modeling of the M-60A3 it seems that the LRF is housed in the right side bubble and I would guesstimate that the left side bubble is unused. Edited August 15, 2012 by Werewolf Add Picture 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazjar Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Of course the m60a3 uses Lrf, fired by gunner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yep...Except two separate optics are used, separated by the width of the turret. As mentioned previously each optic is housed in the bubble like enclosures on each side of the turret of the M-60 and M-60A1. Assuming correct modeling of the M-60A3 it seems that the LRF is housed in the right side bubble and I would guesstimate that the left side bubble is unused. Oh I dunno about that, might get a couple of coke cans in there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yes, the optical base however is much wider. But the principle is essentially the same. Call that an "optical base", here's an "optical base": http://www.kbismarck.com/controltiri.html I note the silhouette of HMAS Hood used in the "bracketing" example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Call that an "optical base", here's an "optical base":http://www.kbismarck.com/controltiri.html I note the silhouette of HMAS Hood used in the "bracketing" example. Did you know HMS Hood was an indirect victim of defense cutbacks? They armoured the forward hull top, but not the rear hull top. Which is where Hood was hit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Not quite.She was built that way to achieve almost all the protection she needed while retaining the speed required.The financial issue came into effect when they continued to delay the uparmouring programme (which had been identified as a weakness) during the inter war years. Edited August 16, 2012 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Lion Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Most important sights no matter what the endeavor: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazjar Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 ^^^ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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