Scrapper_511 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Does/has eSims considered marketing SB to former Warsaw Pact armies? I figure the economical advantage of simulators would benefit them greatly. Or would this kind of transaction enter a conflict of interest somehow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 9, 2012 Members Share Posted November 9, 2012 No, it's just difficult for us to do business there - language barrier, cultural barriers, and a generally difficult environment for a variety of reasons (e.g. some of them being repressive, authoritarian, with rampant corruption, often all things combined).Crackpot dictators like Lukashenko should go and look elsewhere to get their combat simulations. There's no way I'd travel to Belarus for business, even if they aren't exactly cannibals there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian90 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Poland is a former Warsaw Pact country, and we use Steel Beasts PRO in Leopard Training Center for our Leopard 2 crews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 No, it's just difficult for us to do business there - language barrier, cultural barriers, and a generally difficult environment for a variety of reasons (e.g. some of them being repressive, authoritarian, with rampant corruption, often all things combined).Crackpot dictators like Lukashenko should go and look elsewhere to get their combat simulations. There's no way I'd travel to Belarus for business, even if they aren't exactly cannibals there.Except maybe in the hatch of your old Leo2A4? *Sigh* Sometimes I wish gunboat diplomacy was stilll an expidient means of reppressing Crackpots."We the free world, say this: Stop acting like a T**t or we'll get our lads (Our Brave Service men & women, cheers lads) to come over there and give you a bloody good slap."The only thing Dictatorships seem to respond to is force.As Killjoy likes to say: "Peace through superior firepower."(Russia could be a prickly one to deal with.)But yes Ssnake's protest, is probably justified, good on you, sir. :thumbup: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 There are a couple of former WP states that have joined the "4 -letter club" :-)Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and the baltik states f.e.Considering the "rampant corruption problem" in some, and the lack of a tank force in others...pretty much only Poland is left for business :-P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jartsev Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 and the lack of a tank force in others...This situation will be changed(or at least have good chances to be changed) in next few years. Our government announced plans to buy about 50 Leo 2s(actual numbers, exact models and deadline were not disclosed). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 This situation will be changed(or at least have good chances to be changed) in next few years. Our government announced plans to buy about 50 Leo 2s(actual numbers, exact models and deadline were not disclosed).Well, that's 50 more than the Netherlands. :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well, that's 50 more than the Netherlands. :biggrin:Maybe these are from the Netherlands ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Maybe these are from the Netherlands ;-)In that case, buyer beware, Netherlands weren't too hot when it came to maintenance.Believe it or not German kit is not infallible when not looked after.My Skoda is still in bits. (I don't think it was me)Before you start, Skoda are owned by VAG-com (Volkswagen & Audi Group). I.E. German. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 In that case, buyer beware, Netherlands weren't too hot when it came to maintenance.[Citation needed] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 [Citation needed] Citation - Unsubstantiated Rumors. What I said about my Car I stand by emphatically. I have photographic proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 My Skoda is still in bits. (I don't think it was me)OK, but surely you have some idea who did it.Or are you trying to tell me that it spontaneously "dis assembled"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 What I said about my Car I stand by emphatically. I have photographic proof. This photo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 In that case, buyer beware, Netherlands weren't too hot when it came to maintenance.Believe it or not German kit is not infallible when not looked after.My Skoda is still in bits. (I don't think it was me)Before you start, Skoda are owned by VAG-com (Volkswagen & Audi Group). I.E. German.No, from what I've seen they are quiete good in maintaining their gear.The buyer may have to remove caravan-trailer hitches from the tanks and they are fine:-P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The buyer may have to remove caravan-trailer hitches from the tanks and they are fine:-PAnd remove the "don't deploy on weekends" governors from the vehicles.It may well have changed but when I was there in the late 80s, the Dutch left exercises at about 1700 Fridays and returned at approx 0800 on Mondays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicatt Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The buyer may have to remove caravan-trailer hitches from the tanks and they are fine:-P That cracked us up here, we live beside the main migration route south for summer Hollanders 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The buyer may have to remove caravan-trailer hitches from the tanks and they are fine:-P:lol: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 And remove the "don't deploy on weekends" governors from the vehicles.It may well have changed but when I was there in the late 80s, the Dutch left exercises at about 1700 Fridays and returned at approx 0800 on Mondays.Back then it was a conscript army, now it's a all professional army. Not that that is any excuse, but I guess that has something to do with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 OK, but surely you have some idea who did it.Or are you trying to tell me that it spontaneously "dis assembled"? Yeah I was driving back from work along the M23, it was quite alarming. Ended up just my seat and my steering wheel. :debile2: Yeah I'm kidding. I'm taking it apart. It was going into "Limp home/safe" mode, something to do with the turbo. Boost failure under load. This photo? It may end up with that happening Rump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 No, it's just difficult for us to do business there - language barrier, cultural barriers, and a generally difficult environment for a variety of reasons (e.g. some of them being repressive, authoritarian, with rampant corruption, often all things combined).Crackpot dictators like Lukashenko should go and look elsewhere to get their combat simulations. There's no way I'd travel to Belarus for business, even if they aren't exactly cannibals there.Oh too bad. It would've been interesting to see what Russian weapons systems they would have requested to be implemented in SB. I also wonder what level of inferiority complex they might have had after pitting their stuff against NATO inventory in SB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Poland is a former Warsaw Pact country, and we use Steel Beasts PRO in Leopard Training Center for our Leopard 2 crews.That's interesting to know. How come that we weren't contacted about it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 It would've been interesting to see what Russian weapons systems they would have requested to be implemented in SB.I agree. As long however as the Russian government sees itself rather as a rival, and not really as a partner of the West, the question remains if they can actually be interested in disclosing more information to a company like ours.Well, it's a moot point to discuss, anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 That's interesting to know. How come that we weren't contacted about it?That sounds like someone has breached a contract.A bit "untidy" for a Government to use a product and the people that sell the product don't know about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 That sounds like someone has breached a contract.A bit "untidy" for a Government to use a product and the people that sell the product don't know about it.Maybe they got themselfes 25 copies of SBproPE :-P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Perhaps, but the poster said "PRO" (which is probably what grabbed Ssnake's attention). Poland is a former Warsaw Pact country, and we use Steel Beasts PRO in Leopard Training Center for our Leopard 2 crews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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