Marko Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Glorious Soviet Union merciless crush upstart capitalists! Couple of amusing points:An M113 that Marko kept missing at point blank range, took about 40 rounds to kill it. (BMP-1s so, about average) I was not shooting. the AI was. The M113 was about a hundred and fifty yards away.It was fun watching the BMP bang away though.Or should i say Pop away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 At the end of the 2.6 era Falli has brought us the best M1A1 skins yet: @Falli - you have to upload these skins here as well, so that others can enjoy them as well - simply outstanding skins! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Couple of amusing points:An M113 that Marko kept missing at point blank range, took about 40 rounds to kill it. (BMP-1s so, about average)And M1A2 that Dark bombed the living s**t out of and it still wouldn't DIE!We had to finish it off with a f**king miracle BMP 1 round.Is this a known issue? I experienced the same thing recently in a downloaded scenario. My Abrams kept hitting a RedFor M113 FO and it-just-would-not-DIE. I know SABOT rounds were probably going right through it instead of blowing it up, but the M113 must've been Swiss-Cheese after the fact!BTW, nice M1 screenshots! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 So did you try a HEAT round? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 So did you try a HEAT round?I know, I should have indexed HEAT. I got target fixation and neglected ammo selection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 That's a very good looking urban skyline, Stevo. Which map? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isnogud Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 waiting for the bus is like waiting for the update, it just won't come ... (no offense) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted April 28, 2013 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2013 UKA has encountered the 'bullet proof M113' problem before. In a previous scenario Dark hammered one from point blank range, on its side, with a Pizarro's main gun to no effect. Is this a known issue? You mean, is it a know issue that it is an aluminum box and you will just punch holes in it with KE? Yes. I doesnt have all those explody things in it like a BMP or even a Bradley (ATGM ammo). Everyone can be quite prone to panic suddenly. Anytime someone shoots a PC with KE, the question should not be "why didn't I get a critical kill?" --rather, an "issue" would be if it suffered no damage at all. In that situation you are really punching holes in it trying to directly kill crew, since there is no magic impact. I suspect that it was crippled beyond all capability, but just-have-to-kill-it syndrome set in. Best thing to do in that situation is either ignore it (AI will ignore severely crippled targets too) or change you angle on it and ammo type. The aternative is that you might have been firing HE at it and it that just isn't quite the best tool for anything others than disabling an armored vehicle (usually). If there wasn't this relationship with KE and light armor then HEAT would be rather pointless. Also, it is worth mentioning that M113A3s and above (including all DK variants), in SB and IRL, have spall liners so they can be quite survivable in many situations, yes, very similar to modern IFVs. M113A1 and A2 isn't so great in that regard. That said, if someone really could show an AAR with 40 maingun impacts on the same PC then we would give it a look. The support forum would be the best place to discuss that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 This was a 73mm BMP 1 gun Vs M113We think it kept hitting intervening trees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 This was a 73mm BMP 1 gun Vs M113Well that BMP-1's gun only fires HEAT and HE so the "sabot going straight through" argument doesn't apply, as opposed to the earlier Pizarro engagement where it might. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted April 29, 2013 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2013 Well that BMP-1's gun only fires HEAT and HE so the "sabot going straight through" argument doesn't apply, as opposed to the earlier Pizarro engagement where it might. Right, in that case the BMP-1 gun should kill the M113 easily from the side and rear, from the engine area though it would likely just knock it out with engine damage. Of course, you have to be lucky enough to hit the target first with that gun, and hitting it multiple times may not even be possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 But the crew and passengers may be just completely shattered.I saw an image of a knocked out armored PC hit by an RPG in Africa, the vehicle looks like it had very little damage, but the passenger compartment was soaked in a pool of blood. No one was probably in any shape to operate the vehicle, even if it were still operable.It's probably not a trivial matter to program computer behavior which can determine distinctions where the vehicle is for all practical purposes knocked out of play, yet not, but not worthy of attention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted April 29, 2013 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2013 But the crew and passengers may be just completely shattered.I saw an image of a knocked out armored PC hit by an RPG in Africa, the vehicle looks like it had very little damage, but the passenger compartment was soaked in a pool of blood. No one was probably in any shape to operate the vehicle, even if it were still operable. Yes, and we take that into account/model that already. Unfortunately, people like to get that magic kill shot, but for the most part vehicles can all but be destroyed and there may be a lone survivor inside. Or maybe the weapon and engine are destroyed, but the crew is still alive - so you have an armored pillbox with a radio. This is all a matter of chance, hit location, round type, angle of impact and so forth - a lot of variables. And besides, we are just speculating here. At one point it was a about a Centauro firing KE rounds into an M113 (assumption), and then it was a BMP firing HEAT rounds into it at an unknown angle, so I was merely saying that HE and HEAT into engine compartments may only cause destruction of the engine compartment only. Nothing in this latest community panic episode has been very specific (heck, I don't even know what M113 variant we are talking about here -- they are very different in survivability from one variant to another). So, wild speculating aside, I don't think it is worth me discussing this any further. Like I said, if someone has an AAR showing an M113 getting hit XX times with maingun (I believe that was the first accusation?) then it will certainly be examined and explained, or adjusted. This is all probably a moot point anyway, because I do recall that the M113s (all) have all had their armor model adjusted between the last version with more accurate data. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooCURToo Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 2003 - 7th Armoured Brigade Entering Basra: Daskal, Are these stock building skins? If not, where do I get them? I know it's not too long before 3.0 comes out but it IS still 3 months away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I know it's not too long before 3.0 comes out but it IS still 3 months away. Well two months and four days. "3 months" sounds like 90 days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Daskal,Are these stock building skins? If not, where do I get them?I know it's not too long before 3.0 comes out but it IS still 3 months away.Yes these are the stock building skins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooCURToo Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes these are the stock building skins.where have they been all my SB life? I usually see those plain white ones. I'll have to take a better look around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 where have they been all my SB life? I usually see those plain white ones. I'll have to take a better look around.These came around version 2.5xx i think - lots of new buildings and stuff in the map editor! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratel Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Not sure where vids would go, just a quick and dirty I made this morning.Apparently gunnery is not like riding a bicycle :biggrin:http://youtu.be/5bD3nyyX2oQ5bD3nyyX2oQ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 5bD3nyyX2oQ You only need to put the unique video ID in the BB code. Like this: [noparse]5bD3nyyX2oQ [/noparse] And just for future reference, there is a video thread here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 BTW, nice video!I thought you did okay. I've seen (read "done") much worse. :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratel Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 BTW, nice video!I thought you did okay. I've seen (read "done") much worse. :biggrin: Thnx for fixing my post and the reference Lt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theGUNSLINGER Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Good job on the video 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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